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Blocked out

This is the key reason I am not doing many revisions of articles on Wikipedia anymore. This episode occured in May 2006, and left a bad taste in my mouth.Bacl-presby (talk) 00:26, 24 December 2009 (UTC) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of St. Andrew and St. Paul, Montreal[reply]

Restoring deleted comment

Hello Bacl-presby. Could you kindly explain what all of this is about?

20:34, May 24, 2006 (removing afd tag from an article)
20:36, May 24, 2006 (delisting a live AFD discussion)
20:40, May 24, 2006 (page blanking)
20:45, May 24, 2006 (bizarre pagemove)
15:49, May 25, 2006 (removing my questions from this talk page)

Thanks. — May. 25, '06 [06:08] <freak|talk>

Well folks, I guess I did it this time!! I'm Blocked from wiki...for how long?---24 hours!

Oops!

Bacl-presby 16:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Guess I now know what to do when someone is vandalizing (in my opinion) an article!!

Bacl-presby 18:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And the no name Church of St. Andrew and St. Paul, Montreal with only 405 hits on google is once again re-listed as an Wikipedia:Articles for deletion as of May 24; vote now, vote often, but don't let a moderator censor your vote, even if he/she/it is halfway around the world!!

Bacl-presby 18:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Restoring a deleted comment....whose deleted comment(s), not mine!! These were both removed from the discussion yesterday, so I purged the whole Afd and p-o'd someone.....

"nn Church in Montreal?? Bacl-presby 16:37, 24 May 2006 (UTC)"

"nn (no name??) Church in Montreal?? You must be kidding!! And now editing out the original poster's entries--shame! shame! Bacl-presby 19:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)"

Bacl-presby 21:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I could include the "offending comments" from the AfD request as well

"Church of St. Andrew and St. Paul, Montreal

An article about an nn church in Montreal. Contains no information about why it is at all notable or encyclopaedic. Only gets 405 Google hits. Páll (Die pienk olifant)*

05:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Delete nn per nom. --Srikeit(talk ¦ ✉) 06:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete, nn church. --Terence Ong 13:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC) "

BTW, Is Páll aka PZFUN? Bacl-presby 23:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it is quite ridiculous that this article was nominated for deletion, and that it was clearly done by someone who actually knew nothing about the subject. However, the proper procedure is to write a cogent explanation of why it should be kept, not to blank the VfD debate and remove the AfD header. When presented with the facts, the Wikipedia community will almost always come to the correct decision. - SimonP 03:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And nn does not mean "no name", it means "non-notable". It is a part of our special Wikipedia vocabulary, which you must know - by heart - before ever reading any Wikipedia page whose address starts with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia: again. 155.69.5.235 08:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks 155.69..... I guess that I didn't realize that nn stood for Non-notable...Bacl-presby 23:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Back in the saddle again

Once again, I'm back, a little repentant, but concerned that the moderator who banned me, never replied to my e-mail. Thanks to the folks who have assisted. I must ask openly, if there is a problem with any of my postings, to use this forum (or otherwise) to object if a posting seems out of kilter. BTW, if I find obvious vandalism done to any posting, I know which moderator to contact ASAP!! Bacl-presby 23:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why you were blocked

Hi, I got your email message. I wanted to clarify, on behalf of others, why you were blocked. Note that I have not spoken with them, so what I write here is my interpretation only.

First, you removed an AfD template from an article. This is considered vandalism; you shouldn't do that. If you disagree with an AfD, say so in the AfD page, and give reasons why the article should not be deleted.

Second, you blanked the AfD discussion. Again, this is vandalism. AfDs are designed to allow editors to debate the merits of an article's inclusion in Wikipedia. Blanking it can be viewed as an attempt to censor that discussion.

Third, you moved the AfD page. This is blatant vandalism, and should never be done. As with my second point, this may be viwed as an attempt to censor or derail a worthwhile debate about the article.

Fourth, removing the admin's comments from your talk page indicate that you're unwilling to discuss issues with other users. Wikipedia is about debating issues and achieving consensus. You've been here long enough that you should be familiar with that mantra by now.

You are right about one thing - it would have been better if the user that had nominated the article for deletion had informed you about it. Unfortunately, this doesn't always happen. However, if you keep articles in your watchlist, you should notice such actions.

You've made useful contributions to Wikipedia, but the behaviour you exhibited in this regard was simply inexcusable. The admin that blocked you had every right to do so, and used the privileges granted to him as an admin judiciously. I wholly support the short block that was placed on you (it should have expired by now).

In the future, it's best to engage in a meaningful discussion, through which other Wikipedians can understand your reasoning, and maybe even agree with you, than it is to act in a petulant manner. Vandalising Wikipedia will likely result in other editors taking you less seriously, and perhaps dismissing your arguments. That doesn't help your cause, does it?

Again, you've made good contributions to Wikipedia, and we'd like to see that continue. Mind matrix 15:26, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Aside: You should add your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of St. Andrew and St. Paul, Montreal. Please follow the AfD guidelines: Guide to deletion (especially the discussion section). Mind matrix 15:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

THANK YOU for the clarification,

I'm sorry,

and I've posted my comments to the AfD.Bacl-presby 23:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Church of St. Andrew and St. Paul, Montreal

You'll likely be pleased to hear that the afd on this church stub has been closed as keep. — May. 29, '06 [05:27] <freak|talk> Good! Bacl-presby 21:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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