Talk:Hey Sandy

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There is also a folk song by this name I remember from years back. I found the lyrics [1] but don't know anything about it other than that - although I'm pretty sure it's about the same event. Anyone know more? -- sannse (talk) 22:38, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

It is about the same event and person. Polaris' song is thought to be based (loosely) on this one. The existence of this song provides the strongest evidence for this theory of its meaning being accurate, as well as the lines mentioned in the article and "end of the speech, it's the end of the day," which is historically reflected (the shooting came late in the day following a protest speech). However the attitude in Polaris' song is notably more ambivalent about who was to blame.

Derrick Coetzee 23:08, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

thanks, I've added in this info -- sannse (talk) 15:44, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

If anyone else knows more about the folk song, please do add it or create another article. I shall try to see what i can find. Thats the song i know and was looking for more versions of - i have it on an album by an obscure British folk group, and i've heard it on at least one other album. I believe Christy Moore also did a version of it, which i would say makes it at least somewhat notable... (and its a much better song, but obviously my opinion on that doesn't count on Wikipedia:-) Ian—Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.215.65.5 (talk) 17:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Lyric - third line

The Third line is usually accepted as "could you settle to shoot me" but my friend has recently put forth that it may be "Could you stand to shoot me" I think this is more likely, given the vocalization. Leave input. --George The Man 22:14, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There is a great deal of debate over the line. We mention "can you settle to shoot me" only because it's a well-known popular theory with some strong support; your theory unfortunately only qualifies as original research. I agree though that the word after "could you" is probably the hardest to decipher, and I don't see any compelling reason your theory must be wrong. Deco 00:24, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well if you like to listen again: Instead of ->Don't you talk back!<- it could be easily ->Does your dog bite?<- instead.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.152.254.96 (talk) 02:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Evidence has cropped up for the 'dog bite' interpretation. Bmulcahy (talk) 00:10, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Last night, I watched The Adventures of PETE & PETE on nickSplat, and with closed captioning on... in each episode, the lyrics for the 3rd line were displayed as "Could you settle to shoot me?" - talk about adding more fuel to the fire. Travelsonic (talk) 15:17, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

References

Detailed interpretation removed

I removed the following interpretation from the article, because it's too verbose and too obvious. If you can briefen it feel free to add it back.

If the song is related to Harvey Andrews's "Hey Sandy" then there is a quite a good theory to the song. This song is in the perspective of one of the protesters that was there that day Sandra Scheuer aka sandy was shot. Hey smiling strange refers to one of the protesters looking at the authorities and notice they have a smile on and that it is kind of a strange maybe even evil smile. Can you settle to shoot me if being the correct lyric, is the protester asking to be shot instead of Sandy. The protester probably knows Sandy personally somehow. Or have you picked your target yet refers to the protester seeing the authority taking aim. The gun Sandy was shot with had a scope and so she was shot purposely and was not some kind of accident involving an automatic gun. Don't you talk back is a reference to Harvey's version of the song in which Sandy runs up to the authorities and yells why. Although this is not a real event it is most likely where it comes from. When sandy was shot she was walking to her next class with her speech therapist. Four feet away could have been an estimate of how far away her therapist was at the time she was shot. Sandy was shot in the throat so that surly stopped her from talking and killed her which is where "End of speech it’s the end of the day". We was only funnin', but guiltily I thought you had it comin' refers to the protester saying that they never meant for anyone to really get hurt and that they just wanted things to stay peaceful but on the inside the protester knew it was going to happen.

Deco 05:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I would recommend adding much of that back. Its pretty accurate in reference to the events and is a fine version of this theoretical interpretation of the song, the most PROBABLE interpretation. I'll try and brief it up later.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.127.57.143 (talk) 02:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Citations

Wikipedia demands citations. If it's not citable, it's not fit for inclusion. If you are able to provide a citation for passages listed below, please do so, and re-integrate the cited passage into the article: Alvis 04:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Among the most plausible theories is that it is loosely based on English folk singer Harvey Andrews's song of the same name. The titular "Sandy" is Sandra Scheuer, one of four students fatally shot by National Guard troops in the Kent State shootings in 1970. In particular, the line "but guiltily I thought you had it coming" may refer to the sentiment that the action was partially justified because of the provocation offered by student protesters. However, Harvey Andrews' "Hey Sandy" is explicitly about the shootings; Polaris' "Hey Sandy" remains decidedly unclear.

[This] still generates debate. Though some speculate "Can you settle to shoot me?" is the most likely missing lyric, other guesses abound .

Can you settle to shoot me? (Third line of song)Alvis 04:59, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay. At least parts of this are based on a source that used to be listed in the references until it was removed. This was just a fansite though and remains so speculative that it's probably best to leave it out. Dcoetzee 06:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Ah - so that's where it all comes from. I think this is valuable info, and it certainly makes SENSE, but I'm torn as to if its fit for inclusion in WP. Alvis 06:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Why do citations make things any more legitimate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.11.36.169 (talk) 19:26, 25 February 2011 (UTC)