Talk:List of Zulu kings

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the List of Zulu kings article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Biography: Royalty and Nobility

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Royalty and Nobility.

South Africa Mid‑importance

	South Africa portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject South Africa, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of South Africa on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.South AfricaWikipedia:WikiProject South AfricaTemplate:WikiProject South AfricaSouth Africa articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Ethnic groups Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ethnic groups, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles relating to ethnic groups, nationalities, and other cultural identities on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Ethnic groupsWikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groupsTemplate:WikiProject Ethnic groupsEthnic groups articles

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

WikiProject Ethnic groups open tasks:

Here are some open WikiProject Ethnic groups tasks:

Meta-tasks:
- Place the {{Ethnic groups}} template on the talk page of articles within the scope of this project.
- Resolve the disparity in importance rankings among different ethnic groups
Articles about ethnic groups that currently have issues needing resolution:
Start an article:
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Article requests

Feel free to edit this list or discuss these tasks.

Lists Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Lists, an attempt to structure and organize all list pages on Wikipedia. If you wish to help, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.ListsWikipedia:WikiProject ListsTemplate:WikiProject ListsList articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

[Untitled]

[South African Military History Society] mentions :-

[Shaka] succeeded to the chieftainship of his own tribe the abakwaZulu, descendants of Zulu Nkosinkulu. Nkosi means Chief in Zulu. Wikiwizzy

Sigujana

I miss Sigujana in the list. Shaka's half-brother who was put on the throne by his father and deposed and killed by the angry Shaka.--Gerard von Hebel 21:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sigujana

Sigujana is not recognised in the Zulu Kings list as he was never the rightful heir to the throne. The older brother Shaka was alive and therefore Sigujana could not have been a legitimate Zulu King - KJK —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[ 07:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

FYI: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ndaba_kaMageba

Ikip (talk) 19:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Improvement

I found this article and saw that it claimed Ndaba kaMageba to be the son of some Nkosinkulu. This is clearly wrong, as the "ka-" prefix in the name means "(child) of". I don't know who first made this list, but it was a confused mess, with some names linking to irrelevant articles.

Using Wikipedia itself as a source, I fixed the geneology and linked to the full binominal names, fixing a lot of red links. This is one example of the many advantages in using the full binominal names of Zulu royalty, similar to the obvious advantage of using other people's surnames. I am aware that using Wikipedia as a primary source is against policy, but the geneology deduced from the various Zulu kings' articles is much more logical that what was in this article.

I have a question: did Mkabayi kaJama ever rule in any capacity? If not, then she should be removed from the list.

Tebello TheWHAT!!?? 07:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

well i don't know much about that but what i do know is, i'm your dad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.212.98.187 (talk) 03:09, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

uMkabayi kaJama once ruled because her half brother Senzangakhona kaJama was too young to rule 41.116.74.126 (talk) 20:45, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on List of Zulu kings. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120329095304/http://zulumonarch.org/overview/family_history/ to http://zulumonarch.org/overview/family_history/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 23:04, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Revealing the truth of Zulu Kings

Heading text

Some of these other kings are not the the original Zulu sons nor the bloodline of Zulu this must be fixed. Starting from Mpande is not a son of Senzangakhona not even bloodline of Zulu kingdom. Mpande son of Mbopha the house-hold body-guard who helped Mhlangana to assassinate Shaka Mpande deserted Dingane cross Thukela found Boers and Xhosa tribe. Cetshwayo, Mandlakazi and chief Zibebu gathered together Mpande joined Boers and these Xhosa tribe brought them to Zulu kingdom ousted Dingane in 1840 after Dingane's escape and killed by some unknown man in Swaziland. Mpande son of Mbopha became the Chief of Zulu nation after his death at age 84. Boers took their friend a Xhosa warrior which they well know each other. Cetshwayo the Xhosa warrior became the Zulu Chief in 1872. The Zulu kingdom was in hands of Boers ruled by Xhosa warrior Cetshwayo. The Boers took control of the Zulu throne and kingdom in present of Cetshwayo's reigns. After Cethswayo's death at aged 50 in 1884 the throne stood empty for four years when Boers realised the empty throne they appointed Dinuzulu. In 1887 Dinuzulu died. In 1907 after his death the throne stood empty for seven to ten years then Boers appointed Solomon in 1916. After Solomon's death in 1933 the throne stood empty for such long in 1948 Boers Cyprian known as Bhekuzulu and Gatsha Buthelezi was nominated Chief Executive town of Nongoma. Cyprian died in 1968 and Boers appointed Israel Mcwayizeni as Regent until 1971. Then Boers appointed Goodwill Zwelithin as Paramount Chief of Zulu nation. These guys are not Zulu sons. The importance that I should not leave behind is that Boers, Cetshwayo, and Zibebu with their Mandlakazi the Xhosa tribe also formed their own clan named Usuthu.
— Phuthaza (talk) 23:45, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a wiki editor who knows deep knowledge about independent historical African monarchs and i would really appreciate it if someone could inform us when they wanna change something relating to our African monarchs so we as indigenous peoples of south Africa could evaluate it and see if it's true or false thank you by yours truly MR JOYFUL. 105.225.133.178 (talk) 20:47, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious accuracy

The list of kings given here seems to be very dubious or at the very least widely disputed. There seems to be agreement on Phunga, Mageba, and the subsequent rulers, but before this the only things sources seem to agree on is that there was a king named "Zulu". Things like the Pre-Zulu line, Zulu II, Gumede, ... are not generally accepted and shuldn't be presented as a fact here. Fram (talk) 08:09, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]