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When was it written? Etc. 70.57.139.181 08:09, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

typesetting and editions

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Typesetting for this book is still ongoing. I therefore found the comments that "typesetting for the second edition" was done by www.jerusalemtype.com to be exaggerated. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Okay, fair enough, I do have another 700 pages (including redoing the Holocaust entry) to go and then I'm finished. So by the end of this week, the typesetting will have finished.

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Shnayer Leiman - The New Encyclopaedia Judaica: Some Preliminary Observations

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I have removed this sentence from the article:

The new edition has also encountered criticism from some scholars, especially those from the Orthodox community, who take issue with the currency of many of the entries, as well as its secular point of view. the Seforim blog: Shnayer Leiman - The New Encyclopaedia Judaica: Some Preliminary Observations

First, the reference is to a blog, which is not a reliable source. It is possible that the article was published elsewhere and only later posted on a blog, but in this case a reference to the original publication must be provided. Secondly, the author of the article makes quite a few criticisms of the Encyclopaedia Judaica Second Edition, but I did not find any statement supporting the claim that the criticism of the Second Edition comes "especially ... from the Orthodox community, who take issue with the currency of many of the entries, as well as its secular point of view." Beit Or 21:50, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unbalanced

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I've added a {{unbalanced}} tag re: the material on the response to the 2nd edition.

At the moment the article is so completely one-sided as to read like a press release from Gale Corp. In my view Shnayer Leiman's review removed above is a much more honest assessment, from a scholar who as professor at Brooklyn College, visiting professor at Yeshiva University, and a teacher in his time at Harvard, Yale and Hebrew University, (and an author of several articles in the 1972 edition) is rather better placed than a few generalist librarians to make such a judgment.

See also these comments from an insider on the project, who quit in response to the poverty of the way the revision was put together. Jheald (talk) 12:19, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the UK, the Jewish Chronicle was also quite disappointed by the new edition. (Is the new Judaica really worth £1,000? by Marc Saperstein published 22 June 2007) Jheald (talk) 12:36, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested image for article

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Do you recommend adding File:Michael Oren official portrait.jpg to the article? The point is to show the symbolic importance of the EJ, used in this pic as a background to an official portrait of then ambassador Michael Oren. DGtal (talk) 08:58, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't recommend. The Encyclopedia's importance should be based solely on the scholarly quality of the content of its articles. And, after almost 4 decades of its first publication it is still being judged daily on that score. In my view, the track record is mixed. It has some very good articles, and some not so good ones. But it is still a very important and overall useful research tool. warshy (¥¥) 16:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Sources

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Gale Biography in Context lists a bunch of (perhaps brief) reviews for this encyclopedia, if needed. Library Journal, Booklist, etc. czar 18:18, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Online access

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30 December 2019 User:Daask added "As of 2019, some articles from Encyclopaedia Judaica have been published at Encyclopedia.com." to section #1 History. 14 December 2021 User:Arminden moved it to new section 1.4 Online edition. 26 March 2022 User:Warshy added "As of 2022 most of the entries of the 2007 Digital Second Edition of the Encyclopaedia are accessible by searching the Encyclopedia.com search engine directly." to the section. If it's possible to change "As of 2019, some" to "Since 2019 articles ..." (if that's when it started) that would be useful. Otherwise perhaps it could be merged into User:Warshy's addition since the articles {at least all those I've seen} at Encyclopedia.com are from the 2nd ed.

Perhaps the the section's title should be changed to Online access and something added about access to the whole 2nd ed. via libraries and free access via various websites. Some have links to each volume separately, eg. ketab3[1]. Another[2] has all the volumes as one item.

At least some volumes of the 1st ed. are at Internet Archive (though some descriptions are incorrect and don't mention the volume whose text is above the description). Mcljlm (talk) 14:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC) Mcljlm (talk) 14:59, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the creation of a separate section where all the access to online editions is carefully explained, so it can be followed by users interested in using the resource. Thank you, warshy (¥¥) 16:41, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The current Section #1.4 Online edition User:Warshy can be renamed, perhaps to Online access, and expanded. Mcljlm (talk) 03:10, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Mcljlm, Yes, I agree. It should be renamed and expanded. As a model we can look at the Jewish Encyclopedia page, in the section called "Editions," more specifically. The Jewish Encyclopedia is currently used by WP as the starting basis for many of its articles related to Judaism and to Jewish history. It has a special template that is currently used in most of these pages. Our aim should be that every WP article that currently has the JE template in it, should also have a link to the parallel entry in the Encyclopaedia Judaica. Since the entire EJ is also now available online, that should be our goal. I have also started doing that to many of the WP entries in my watchlist. Maybe in the future a similar template will also be created for the EJ, to facilitate the task I am talking about (of having all WP articles on Judaism and Jewish history that use the EJ as their starting basis updated by new information on the subject that is found in the JE). Thank you, warshy (¥¥) 15:58, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After adding a link in External links to the 22 volumes at the Internet Archive I'm wondering Daask, Arminden and Warshy if http://www.urimpublications.com/encyclopaedia-judaica-2nd-edition-22-vols.html and https://www.gale.com/intl/ebooks/9780028660974/encyclopaedia-judaica there now serve any useful purpose (if they did before). Mcljlm (talk) 14:39, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mcljlm, Thank you. It took me a little while to upload the whole thing (maybe over a full 3 minutes), but once it loads as a PDF, it is obviously quite useful. I looked again at the old, obsolete links where you couldn't actually search the work, and I don't think they serve any useful purposes any more. Maybe they could be moved to a footnote explaining that these were the ways to maybe reach some content in the old days, or otherwise they could be simply removed, as far as I am concerned. Thank you! warshy (¥¥) 15:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Document Outline button (which I noticed today) makes it even easier to use the PDF.
Moving the obsolete links to footnotes would appear to require lengthy explanations. EJ2 appears on Gale's website as a result of Macmillan Library Reference having been acquired by the Gale Group. Though not mentioned there the Gale Group is relevant to the Online access section since Encyclopedia.com is/was operated by Gale subsiduary HighBeam Research.
{The following doesn't really relate to online access but it's a continuation of the above.}
Urim appears to have been a distributor of EJ 2nd ed. printed volumes. Its founder produced the CD-ROM edition of the EJ 1st ed.[3] - which isn't mentioned on pp.18-9 of the General Introduction where the CD-ROM is mentioned nor by the JTA[4] {nor in Urim Publications}.
Perhaps much of what's in the lede should be in the 1st edition section which would include details about the CD-ROM which http://www.urimpublications.com/encyclopaedia-judaica-cd-rom-edition.html says is out of print, so "the CD-ROM version is still available" needs editing. Mcljlm (talk) 19:31, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://ketab3.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/%d8%af%d8%a7%d9%86%d9%84%d9%88%d8%af-%d8%af%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%b4%d9%86%d8%a7%d9%85%d9%87-%d8%ac%d9%88%d8%af%d8%a7%d8%a6%db%8c%da%a9%d8%a7/
  2. ^ https://ia903008.us.archive.org/12/items/EncyclopediaJudaica_201905/Encyclopedia%20Judaica.pdf
  3. ^ https://www.haaretz.com/2003-02-21/ty-article/a-jewish-publishing-house-defies-definition/0000017f-dec6-db5a-a57f-deeeb8730000 (archived - unrestricted access - version https://archive.li/JkiAV (the Wayback Machine only produced the first 2 sentences)
  4. ^ https://www.jta.org/1997/06/05/default/encyclopedia-judaica-now-on-cd-rom

Deletion

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I deleted "Gale has published other substantial revisions of major reference works in the field of religion in recent years, including second editions of The Encyclopedia of Religion and The New Catholic Encyclopedia." since it isn't directly relevant to the EJ. Mcljlm (talk) 15:35, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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