Jump to content

Talk:Azeotrope

Page contents not supported in other languages.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Untitled

[edit]

I moved here the Advenced Theory section because it needs rephrasing. (e.g. "We can have", excessive capitalization) A reference would also be useful.--Unconcerned 23:25, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC) 

ADVANCED THEORY:

There is another interesting phenomena that has been observed. 
Some azeotropic systems exhibit what is called "Multiplicity"
i.e. Multiple steady states.
For example the ternary system Methanol - Toluene - MethylButyrate
exhibit this Multiplicity.
For the same conditions of input such as Molar feed rate, 
composition, Reflux rate, Distillate flow rate and Column
temperature profiles; we can observe different product compositions,
Temperature profile and internal flow rates.
We can have for example 3 steady states: 2 Stable steady states and
1 unstable steady state.

min/max still not clear

[edit]

The negative/positive and minimum-boiling/maximum boiling ideas don't scan, here. Someone who actually groks them needs to say what's varying. I suspect it's the boiling-point temperature varying vs. % concentration of the solute in water. At a certain concentration the boiling point of the mixture reaches a minimum; at any other concentration it will be higher; the concentration with the lowest boiling point is called the "minimum-boiling" or "negative boiling" concentration. I'm 99% sure this is what's meant, but I don't recognize the terminology and I'm too wikilazy to go look it up. Maybe later when the caffeine kicks in... Blair P. Houghton 22:27, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Changes to azeotrope definition

[edit]

I changed the definition, so that it was more accurate and also will clear up the last quesiton.

I tried to make a numbered list that would look good, but I don't know much about how to format this.

Examples of Azeotropes

[edit]

Are the percentages mentioned by mass, mole or liquid volume ? It should be specified, ethanol-water, 95.5wt% ethanol, (wt=weight)

Graph -- Is it 2-propanol or 1-propanol??

[edit]

Every source I looked at indicates that the azeotrope for 1-propanol is at 72% alcohol by weight and that the azeotrope for 2-propanol is at 88% alcohol by weight. The graph given in the article is labeled 2-propanol, but shows the azeotrope to be at approximately 70%. Something is not right here. Karl Hahn (T) (C) 16:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

=

Difficult to understand

[edit]

The text to the heterogenic mixture scheme ("The dotted vertical line indicates the composition of the combined layers of the distillate whenever both layers are present in the original mixture.") is a bit cryptic, could be rewritten. Btw, why are Heteroazeotropes always minimum boiling mixtures? —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/77.212.171.4http://gram.ly/w4CT2001:56A:F3AD:900:59E0:41A7:75FA:E58C (talk) 01:04, 17 February 2017 (UTC)2|77.212.171.42]] (talk) 17:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC) §Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page).</ref></ref></ref></ref>http://gram.ly/w4CT[reply]

About your question, I asked myself the same thing so I did some research and apparently heteroazeotropes are per definition always minimum boiling points if not it would be a different azeotrope. Or at least that's what I understood from what I read in the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics here is a link [1] page 1167 or chapter 6 page 175. (my apologies for the possible grammatical errors)

--UnGritche (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://webdelprofesor.ula.ve/ciencias/isolda/libros/handbook.pdf

Chemical Action Separation

[edit]

I fail to see the relevance of chemical REactive methods to this article. To all but the most uninformed, the fact that you can react one chemical compound and not another will come as no surprise. Since what you are left with is NOT the two original compounds, (in a binary mixture), it seems to me that this entire section is irrelevant. How does selective chemical reaction earn an entire (small) section? There is NOTHING special about this method with azeotropes as contrasted with any other binary mixture, is there? SO: I recommend the entire section be removed 2) If not removed then it should be called it what it is: Purification by Chemical Reaction -- certainly not "chemical action" (what? as compared to "non" chemical action or chemical "non-reaction"? Separation implies that the two compounds retain their individual identity (IMHO) and covalent bond formation is clearly not in that ball-park (conrast with molecular sieves, for example).69.40.241.198 (talk) 03:28, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Azeotrope prediction

[edit]

Are there any methods for predicting azeotropes?--MagnInd (talk) 20:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

[edit]

Not once have I ever heard the pronunciation /əˈziːətroʊp/ throughout my chemical engineering degree. Propose that /ˌeɪziə'troʊp/ be offered as an alternative pronunciation. Aspirex (talk) 05:17, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Azeotrope. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 21:53, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Azeotrope. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 20:47, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Azeotrope. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

  • If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
  • If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 00:44, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actual chemical mechanism is missing

[edit]

Well, unless I missed it, but it talks about curves on graphs touching etc. That says nothing about how it happens which I guess must be that some weak bonding occurs between the chemicals, but that's AFAICS unstated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.109.248 (talk) 22:21, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Be lovely if someone could elucidate on this 79.75.104.15 (talk) 15:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

History

[edit]

Surely there should be some connection to Gibbs, Konovalov etc in this entry? Shyamal (talk) 13:22, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Azeotrope&oldid=1229557899"