Talk:American Eskimo Dog

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Signed and dated for archive purposes only. William Harris • (talk) • 02:37, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Origins

Ok, we're going round and round and round on this. Here is what my three books say:

1. The German spitz is smaller than the eskie & was brought over with immigrants
2. This spitz was developed into a larger dog with some admixtures (probably Keeshond) in NYC
3. By WW1, it was already a distinct breed from the German spitz and was registered as an American breed

Yes, it came from the German spitz. No, it is not the same dog. If you took an eskie to Crufts, it would not look the same as the German spitzes. Hence, it is an American breed. If the people who keep saying that it's German have print references, let's please see them. The most recent reference I've seen to reiterate the NYC breed origin is The Dog Bible. I'll give it a day to see if I and all those books can be proven wrong. Otherwise, I'm going to go through the article with a flea comb. Geogre 22:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Nice pun George. Alright, I have 2 references, and I already added some basic information for those two, now if you can tell me what else is needed, I will add it, and that would solve the problem quickly, and thus the need for so many ignorant humans to argue with factual information will diminish. Oh and spitzes is not a word. Its plural in English is spitzen. Just like the plural for French loanwords (such as Portmanteau), mostly ends in x (portmanteaux.)209.244.42.97 03:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh, yes, antique feminine nouns with their plurals (fox - vixen, ox - oxen). Mine all say NYC as an origin. Yes, the bit about the name change is well attested, but whether it is a new breed in the US or not would be disputed at very best. This is what happens when sources disagree: we say, "Germany or USA" in boxen, and we provide a long answer on the origins section, "Some authorities argue that the American Eskimo Dog is the German Spitz with a new name, while others argue that it was a separate breed before the name was changed." That way, we're honest with our readers and reflect the opinionen of the world. (Anglo-Saxon has its spits, but the Saxon plural gets normalized across loanwords that come from cognates. It's all a question of how voreign ze verd is.) Geogre 21:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi guys...

As current 3 term president of the AKC National Parent Club and also president of our local UKC Club of Washington State I'd like to thank you for your beginnings on here of our wonderful breed.

I've been an owner, breeder, and exhibitor of this breed for over 10 years and showing and breeding dogs for 35 plus years. The information on our breed is semi-correct on this page and I can highly recommend Nancy Hofman's book "The New American Eskimo" for down to earth, right on and correct information on the history of the breed, its origins and such.

I am not up on Wikipedia and what it entails but if there is anything I can do to help add to this project just let me know. I would like to help update some of the incorrectness that is on there, I did add some corrections a while back but guess it was taken as vandalism, again, not knowing the rules of Wikipedia.

Let me know if I can help in anyway.

--Lynn McClure ~ AngelHeart-Eskies 21:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC) [www.angelheart-eskies.com]

Well, it's great to have you here. Can you tell us some of the spots that look rough to you? With any wiki, there are bound to be silly bits and localisms added from time to time (e.g. someone's insistence that they're called "Echo dogs"), but I think folks are working from previously published stuff. I wrote the bulk of the first draft of the article, and since then I've kept half an eye on the article, generally not intervening as the article has generally improved, but one problem is, of course, the way that AKC has arrived at the dance late, the way that media attention is lacking, and the way that UKC gets downplayed. That adds to the fact that these were treated as "mixed" for far too long. Geogre 21:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

The AED really is a derivative of the German Spitz. It came from Germany as the white German Spitz and the name was changed to the "American Eskimo Dog". Rumor has it that the kennels that were credited in keeping the lines going were called the American Eskimo Kennels. I'll have to look in Nancy's book to verify that. But they really are the German Spitz, the white version.

They were accepted into UKC in or around 1913 and registered as the American Eskimo Dog. It wasn't until early 1990's that those that bred and exhibited the breed was able to get the registry opened and the stud books complete enough for AKC to allow them into the misc class and they then moved to non-sporting in 1995. While they are dual registered and there may be some friction between the venues the majority of us that breed and show find it beneficial to have both registries. We now have a third registry that has just allowed the American Eskimo Dog recognition, that being the Canadian Kennel Club and they are now welcoming those dogs from the United States to register and show in this venue. We're very excited for the ability to continue to have so many venues to show our breed in.

BTW, if you do a Google search on "Echo Dogs" you will find there is no correlation to the American Eskimo Dog... What a weird thing for someone to come up with... :-)

This breed is not any more susceptible to fleas and/or hotspots than other breeds and it really isn't necessary to post that information. They are in fact a fairly healthy breed but do have issues with PRA and Hip Dysplasia. All dogs do some more than others. As responsible and professional breeders we test our animals prior to breeding for those inherited diseases to insure we are not proliferating the disease and passing it on. We now have a DNA test through Optigen to enable us to test our dogs and even puppies at a very early age and have a 99.99% readout of whether the animal is clear, a carrier or affected from PRA. We are now able to backward breed to clear dogs and hopefully breed PRA out of our lines.

There is much more and I'm happy to help. Your best information would come from Nancy's book "The New American Eskimo" and while they are very expensive on Amazon you can email her for a signed copy, I think she charges about 40.00. Her email address is aecountry(at)msn. com and tell her Lynn McClure suggested you be in touch with her.

I just deleted the last change to the page. Please don't change what was posted to those as that was a direct post from the breed standard as written by the Breed Parent club and authorized by AKC.

Here is a link to the American Eskimo Dog used in the circus. http://www.circushistory.org/Bandwagon/bw-1940no2.htm Could you add that to your information at the top. This occured in 1917.

Signed and dated for archive purposes only. William Harris • (talk) • 02:37, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

slegde dogs ?

Shure that they are used as sledge dogs ? It's not mentioned in the article I think someone rad the name and thought "that must be a sledge dog" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.244.39.199 (talk) 22:05, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Some eskies may enjoy sledding, but at 25-30lbs max, they are not big enough to be successful at competitive mushing. You may be thinking of the Samoyed which looks very similar, but is about twice the size, and is a utilitarian dog that was used historically for hunting, herding, and pulling sleds in Russia.Opendestiny (talk) 18:16, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

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This article has a bunch of incorrect stuff which is being re-added fairly regularly. While I realize that many pet owners may take the "Eskie" part of the name more seriously than any actual FACTS about the breed, this is extremely frustrating since the actual history is LINKED TO on the AEDCA page. The Eskie is not and never HAS been a draft dog, is NOT a sled dog (no one breeds them for this purpose and they are generally much too small for it- even the largest Eskies are not as large as the smallest Siberians or Alaskan Huskies being used for it), and is not directly related to the Samoyed. They are not particularly slow maturing, do not, as a breed, have dryer skin than any other dog.

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Signed and dated for archive purposes only. William Harris • (talk) • 02:37, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Gabe the Dog

I'm wondering if the Gabe the Dog meme is notable for mention in this article. I'm new, and seeing that the meme isn't mentioned anywhere, is it notable for mention anywhere. --One Blue Hat^{❯❯❯ (talk)} 16:48, 24 January 2019 (UTC)