Talk:Spike (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

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Old discussions archived on 31 December, 2008. kingdom2 (talk) 23:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

76.100.96.211 (talk) 05:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)School Hard

76.100.96.211 (talk) 05:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)Please review the episode "School Hard" (number three, season two) on Buffy, in which Spike calls Angel/Angelus his grandsire, not his sire. There is no inconsistency; I'm sure of it. This can be verified by watching the episode on Hulu.com. Thanks for your time.[reply]

I just re-watched that scene, and he definitely calls Angel his sire. He does call Angel his grandsire, but that happens in the Angel episode "Just Rewards". --Cubs Fan ^(Talk) 05:33, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's called a retcon people, get over it! Anyway, Joss always stated that he intended to have Drusilla as Spike's sire and that sire and grandsire are interchangeable in his universe. And yes, Spike definitely, without a doubt, calls Angel his sire in "School Hard", but again, interchangeable. kingdom2 (talk) 05:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also in "School Hard", Xander suspiciously asks Angel, "What's a sire?" —Tamfang (talk) 23:09, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

edit war

We've just had three reversions, each way, between these two versions:

This seems to contradict a scene in "School Hard", when Spike calls Angel his sire, though it can be speculated that Spike was using the term in a metaphorical, rather than literal, sense; or perhaps taking lineage into account, as Angel was Drusilla's sire.

Though Spike often refers to Angel as his sire metaphorically, Spike explains "Drusilla sired me... but you... you made me a monster,"^[1] as Drusilla serving as his lover, while Angelus was his true mentor, literally, Spike refers to Angel as his "Grand-Sire."

Compromise proposals are called for. (I'll note that "as Drusilla serving as his lover" is ungrammatical, and "often" may not be accurate.) —Tamfang (talk) 18:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No point for compromise. It's trivial.Zythe (talk) 10:47, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Destiny" Angel

eleven quid for a book?

Spike contends that Dracula "owes me eleven pounds" because Dracula tossed a signed copy of Bram Stoker's Dracula in a fire in 1898. Spike, having paid eleven pounds for the book, maintains Dracula owes him the cost of the novel.

With a footnote citing Buffy vs. Dracula. In that episode Spike says nothing about why Drac owes him the £11; if he explains it in a comical-book, that ought to be cited instead. —Tamfang (talk) 03:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The book was a signed copy and it was thrown into the fire by Dracula after Spike bought it as a present to Drusilla. It mentioned later in the comic that Dracula left him the money in dollars while Spike was at Wolfram & Hart in Angel but since he could not pick up the money (as he was still a ghost) it was probably picked up by someone else later. Dracula no longer owes Spike £11 but Spike has still not collected the money. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.116.198 (talk) 21:35, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Amputee

Since Spike got his hands cut off by Dana, doesn't he count as a fictional amputee? The Mario Bros. are the bomb!, 8:51, 20 June 2009

For how many hours was he deprived of the use of his hands? —Tamfang (talk) 23:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alpha vampire

"considered a peer to Dracula"? Where does that come from?! Considered by whom? —Tamfang (talk) 02:13, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

taste in food

I'm for deleting at least part of this:

He also has a taste for human food and drink, such as beer, whiskey, hot chocolate (even asking Joyce Summers if she has any of "those little marshmallows"), chocolates, Buffalo wings, and onion blossoms, constituting the most varied diet of any vampire on the show, particularly unique since, when Angel is temporarily made human in "I Will Remember You", he starts eating a lot, explaining that food tastes like nothing for vampires, which is clearly not the case with Spike. Sometimes Spike even adds extra ingredients into his blood, such as Weetabix (for texture) and spices and burba weed (for flavor)[.] He also smokes cigarettes (as do many vampires); preferring the fictional brand Morley, which he lights with a trademark silver Zippo lighter.

I wouldn't read much significance into this difference between Spike and Angel. Each series shows just one vampire close up; the canons of Buffy and Angel diverged a bit, because the writers were aiming for different tones. —Tamfang (talk) 08:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is Spike seen eating in Angel? —Tamfang (talk) 19:39, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

the duster

... a black leather duster which he wears throughout his appearances ...

This implies that he's never seen without it, which is far from true. How can it be concisely reworded? —Tamfang (talk) 18:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

the chip

... microchip which prevents him from willingly harming or attempting to harm humans ...

Doesn't it punish him at least once for accidentally striking a human? I confess I don't remember the context. —Tamfang (talk) 18:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

love

Unlike Angel, Spike is perfectly able to love (first Drusilla, then Buffy), almost to the point of obsession, with or without his soul, whereas Angel didn't love Buffy, nor did he have any real capacity for love, without his soul.

Would it be appropriate to mention Darla here? For two reasons: Angel says (iirc) he never loved her; and Darla ultimately stakes herself because after the baby's soul leaves her body she will be unable to love it. —Tamfang (talk) 18:49, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

sunshine

... when Spike was first sired, he and Angel originally bonded over enduring the direct rays of the sun.

Source? —Tamfang (talk) 18:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually this is true. Episode 9 of angel. Episode Title, "destiny", when they fought over the golden cup, It flashbacked to when Angel and Spike were old friends, Angel and Spike both were able to endure sunlight. -- Sion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.119.108.240 (talk) 10:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

whatever, he was NOT sired by a female. That's a misuse of language. If Drusilla was a male vampire, say so.

~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.45.122.74 (talk) 11:53, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

the blue shirt

He also wore ... a bright blue shirt early in Season 7. He explained that the shirt was supposed to show Buffy that he had changed and give him confidence

Who explained – Spike, Marsters, or the wardrobe crew? —Tamfang (talk) 19:00, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

na.

Later it is is revealed that he has recovered, and has chosen to stay in the wheelchair for unknown reasons - reasons are obvious; he wants to be underestimated by Angel.Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:37, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Restructure / overhaul

Would anyone be willing to help embark on a project to restructure the article?

I'd vouch for a lean out-of-universe "Story arc" or "Appearances" (character history) section, albeit one relatively light on behind-the-scenes information, and also long "Creation" and "Development" sections. I imagine "Development" would segment well into "Buffy" (seasons 4-7), "Angel" (which would incorporate information about the planned movie) and "Comic books" subsections. There is a lot of behind-the-scenes information about Spike's comic book appearances, since he appears even more prolifically than either Buffy or Angel and two publishers shared rights to him and made an unanticipated attempt to co-ordinate continuity, and I'm starting to think it does a disservice to both the plot information and the OOU information to bunch them up together under "Appearances/Literature".

A lot of the backstory information would have to go however, except for that which is revealed prominently in a season-by-season order (e.g. a summary of "Fool for Love" in the paragraph for the appropriate season).

Hopefully we could eventually include a substantial sources "Themes" or "Analyses" or "Impact" sections seeing as the character has been influential on the big vampire craze, the subject of numerous Buffy philosophy/TV studies articles, and was exceptionally popular with fandom/ magazines such as EW.

Any other suggestions? Zythe (talk) 12:29, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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