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Caspian Sea dispute

I reckon the Uzbekistan should not be considered as doubly landlocked KarM4xAyush (talk) 07:39, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Why? Every source says it is. 120.16.171.146 (talk) 02:03, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Is the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic now a landlocked country?

According to some sources, it seems that Morocco has extended its berm into Mauritanian territory and successfully split the previously contiguous SADR-controlled part into separate regions. Does anyone know whether the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic still has access to the Atlantic Ocean? If not, we might have to add it to our list.

Links:

1. https://sovereignlimits.com/boundaries/morocco-western-sahara-land

2. https://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/mapsonline/base-maps/western-sahara

3. https://gisgeography.com/western-sahara-map/#PoliticalMap 2001:8003:9008:1301:9535:F3C8:6763:D1BC (talk) 02:11, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

The SADR is a claim to a nation. That claim, as far as I know, extends to the entirety of what used to be the Spanish Sahara and is now called Western Sahara, without regard to the details of the respective de facto control of the two faction of the land west and east of the berm that the Moroccan government constructed. Therefore, the land that SADR refers to continues to be the land that extends to the coast. Of the countries that have at some point recognized SADR, have they not uniformly recognized it to extend over all the territory the SADR itself claims, or have any of them recognized it but only to extend to a fraction of the territory it claims? Largoplazo (talk) 03:17, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any country recognising SADR but only within its de facto borders. They either accept or reject Morocco's claim. The IPs edits don't show the claim of a split, although I'm not doubting it might have happened. That said, SADR was effectively landlocked already, and a specific source would be needed for this article. CMD (talk) 05:47, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Black Sea

I'm not an expert so I'm not going to edit this myself. But it seems like the status of the Black Sea is worth an explicit description. My guess is that the Bosporus and Dardanelles makes countries that are only on the Black Sea (Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine, Georgia) not count as landlocked — but that still seems like something worth explicitly calling out? 135.180.50.142 (talk) 19:11, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Are you asking about the Black Sea because it looks nearly cut off from the oceans? But it isn't. It's really no different from Estonia (to get from the Baltic Sea to the oceans you have to navigate the Kattegat and Skaggerak) or Italy (the Mediterranean connects to the Atlantic through the Strait of Gibraltar). Largoplazo (talk) 22:19, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Kazakhstan

Kazakhstan isn't landlocked Nlivataye (talk) 14:45, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

How would you navigate from Kazakhstan to, say, Spain? Referring to the definition given in the article, Kazakhstan is a country "that does not have territory connected to an ocean or whose coastlines lie on endorheic basins". Largoplazo (talk) 15:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Luhansk People's Republic, South Ossetia?

Is there any need of mentioning it? Partially recognized states worth mention, I guess, but still there must be some systematic approach to it, since neither LPR nor South Ossetia have ever been considered as independent countries unrelated to political situation resulted in exercising of Russian military power. 194.183.170.194 (talk) 10:39, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

If you look here, it does say two of them are de facto states with no or limited international recognition, isn't that enough? 1AmNobody24 (talk) 12:42, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

February 2023

@Treetoes023: the claim that "double-landlocked" is used much more frequently than "doubly landlocked" doesn't stand up to scrutiny. For example: Google gives 81,600 hits for "doubly landlocked" and 22,400 for "double landlocked". How did you come to that conclusion? M.Bitton (talk) 17:15, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Also, the Google Ngram Viewer finds by far fewer instances of "double-landlocked" in its English-language corpus. See here. Largoplazo (talk) 18:02, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Ethiopia

Ababa RXZ Are you familiar with the differences between controlling, leasing, and owning a piece of land? However you look at it, the deal between Ethiopia and Somaliland conveys no ownership of the port to Ethiopia. The land continues to be recognized by both Ethiopia and Somaliland as belonging to Somaliland, and by most of the rest of the world as belonging to Somalia, regardless of who controls it. Largoplazo (talk) 13:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)