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European qualification

Does anyone know what the case would be regarding the transfer of Euro qualification slots if the league winners (who would qualify for the Champions League as a result) were also to win the cup? Would the UEFA Cup spot up for grabs in the cup be transferred to the loser or would it somehow be transferred to a team next in line in the league standings? Logic tells me the former, but you never know with the FAI.--Danny Invincible 16:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's the former. Take 2006, for example: Derry City took the Champions League place (even though they finished 2nd; because Shelbourne didn't apply for a UEFA Licence), and Derry City also won the FAI Cup. The Cup UEFA Cup spot was taken by the runners-up, St. Patrick's Athletic. The 2nd UEFA Cup spot went to Drogheda United (who finished (3rd) just behind Derry in the league). Crc 16:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

northern irish teams

Where this says no teams from the republic play in the north is wrong donegal celtic play in northern irish league and are from donegal in the republic of ireland

Eh, I think you'll find that Donegal Celtic are based in Belfast, Northern Ireland. Danny Invincible^Talk|Edits 01:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah the club is named after a road in Belfast, which is itself named after the county Lord Cornwallis (talk) 17:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not named after a road. Mooretwin (talk) 13:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The names of streets , roads and housing estates in that area mainly take thier names from places in Donegal , when the team was founded they continued the conection . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.125.63 (talk) 14:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All-Ireland League

I think the article should mention the prospect of an All-Ireland League, which has been prominent in media reports the last year. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 17:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Rewrite/Cleanup (IAG)

I'm completely rewriting this article because it's full of nonsense and legal speak. Nearly all of the article was about the merger with the FAI before I changed the title to its correct name and started editing it, as this article was previously titled the "FAI League of Ireland", implying that the league was a new one and the material mirrored this. Anyway, here's a load of excessive detail about the merger which I removed, if anybody wants to use it. Onetonycousins (talk) 21:47, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fire away it really needs tidying. I still think that the title should be "FAI League of Ireland" though. That doesn't necessarily imply that it is a seperate entity to the pre FAI days as the previous (Football LOI/FAI LOI) system did. Fionnsci (talk) 01:47, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia naming conventions state that the common name should be used. In this case, both the common name and the official name (see first reference) are the "League of Ireland" and this also allows for consistency across all the related articles. Anyway, with a little luck, the FAI will have nothing to do with the league when this merger finishes up in a few years and they can get back to making a balls of the national team. Onetonycousins (talk) 13:30, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ulster Banner

I have removed the Ulster Banner being used in this article as the league has no teams that represent NI in the league. As can be seen here UEFA use the Irish Tricolor to represent this team. Mo ainm~Talk 12:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect years of formation of new clubs

Both the new Derry City and Cork City FORAS Co-op are new clubs founded in 2010. This is FAI established fact. http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/electric-launch-to-new-season-2082480.html

Also the current Limerick FC is a continuity of Limerick 37 who were only founded in 2007.

Just because a club buys a name belonging to an old club does not mean it can take any honours involved with the old club. if either Cork Foras or new Derry City were to have won the 2010 FAI Cup, they would not have been allowed to use any co-efficient built up in Europe by the old club by UEFA BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT CLUBS. This is also why the new Derry club could not play in the 2010-2011 Setanta Sports Cup, because it was a different club to the old Derry City. It is very important that Wikipedia gets these facts right. 192.198.151.36 (talk) 00:21, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Had to change these facts again. Sadly there is constant vandalism to this correct information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.198.151.37 (talk) 04:05, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The rights of Cork City Football Club (and Derry City FC) were moved onto a new company. Legally, there is no "fudging" in this act. It is a very common practise in business. Cork City FC were recently owned by holding companies such as Cork City Investments Fc Ltd, Cork City FC Ltd, Declave Ltd etc. Now FORAS Ltd owns the rights to the football club. It is very standard business practice to change the club over to another holding company when it is purchased. Except, the rights of the club were transferred to FORAS a short time later. If a new club was formed under FORAS in 2010, then there must have been several different clubs playing under the name Cork City FC between 1984 and 2010, right? Likewise, there have been Shamrock Rovers Football Club 2004 Ltd (the current holding company of SRFC, I believe), Shamrock Rovers 1972 Ltd, Shamrock Rovers FC Ltd. etc. Do you think these are all different clubs? And that the Shamrock Rovers currently in the league were only formed in 2004? The authority of company law far outweighs that of UEFA

Also, it's quite funny how you don't change Waterford United's foundation date from 1930. For some years following the demise of Waterford FC and emergence of Waterford United, no claim was made to any of the trophies won by the previous Waterford FCs. Also, the foundation of the club was set as 1982 in its own official publications. But, one day, they decided to lay a "claim" to the history of two different Waterford FCs - one who was founded in 1930 and withdrew from the LoI in 1941; another, who entered the the LoI in 1945 and (arguably) withdrew in 1982, to be replaced by WUFC. If WUFC can claim the history of a club, following large time lapses such as these, then Cork City, who underwent the proper legal procedures, most definitely can.

Can I surmise by your overlooking of changing WUFC's foundation date, that you are merely a trolling Waterford fan? Paz-CCFC (talk) 19:33, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The official LoI website acknowledges that they are new clubs from Cork and Derry. http://www.loi.ie/index.php/clubs/premier-division/derry-city/latest-news/1425-preview-derry-city-v-cork-city-foras-co-op —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.74.177 (talk) 10:17, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you really think that a 15 month old article has a higher authority than company law? Paz-CCFC (talk) 17:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If a company wants to buy a name and crest of a defunct football club they are welcome to, but that's all they have bought. and that article reflects the FAI's recognition that they are new clubs. Nowhere else on their website does it acknowledge that they are the same clubs as the old ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.152.198.120 (talk) 19:15, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

High Court caselaw > FAI law. PazCCFC (talk) 20:35, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Intro

The manual of style for Ireland-related topics states that, where confusion may arise, Republic of Ireland should be used rather than Ireland. Given that the League of Ireland is the national league of the Republic of Ireland (not the whole island), the intro should therefore used Republic of Ireland. Confusion could arise because, in sport, Ireland is usually treated as a single unit. Football is an exception. Also, in football terms, "Republic of Ireland" is the UEFA- and FIFA-recognised name for the 26 counties. Mooretwin (talk) 21:44, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"national league", the clue is in the name. O Fenian (talk) 22:12, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Except the name is ambiguous. "National" can relate equally to the whole of Ireland as it does to the Republic. Especially in sport - Ireland national rugby union team being an obvious example. Please have regard to IMOS and self-revert. Mooretwin (talk) 22:17, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have read it, and do not now, nor will ever, agree with your edit. O Fenian (talk) 22:21, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are admitting, therefore, to a straightforward unwillingness to abide by WP policy, as your claimed reason (above) for insisting on the "Ireland" piping disguise is not valid. Your motiviation for this must be left for others to infer. Mooretwin (talk) 11:01, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because of the unwillingness to engage in discussion, we need input from other editors. I've posted a notice at WT:IECOLL. Mooretwin (talk) 11:23, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You mean you are canvasssing for support already because I was too busy to reply when it suited you? There is no ambiguity, there is no other national league for assocation football that covers the whole island. O Fenian (talk) 17:43, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. "National league" means it is not an all-Ireland league. And the Rugby article clarifies in the opening paragraph that it refers to the entire island. --HighKing (talk) 18:00, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the rugby article clarifies that it relates to the entire island, then all the more reason for this article to clarify that it relates only to the Republic. It is obvious that there is potential for confusion here, which the IMOS policy is designed to cover. Mooretwin (talk) 20:59, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. That's the very thin edge of the wedge of potential confusion, and there's no ancillary evidence that suggests that readers are confused. Although I'm not even sure how we could even demonstrate whether they were or not. Since Northern Ireland and the island of Ireland aren't mentioned in the lead, leave as is. --HighKing (talk) 00:26, 14 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The points by Mooretwin are contradicting " The "National" can relate equally to the whole of Ireland as it does to the Republic" , no as the whole of the island contains two nations in footballing terms , it is therefore clear that national means national not all-Ireland or all island . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.77.125.63 (talk) 14:58, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Countries

Because this league contains Derry City which is located in Northern Ireland shouldn't it say Countries Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland in the same way Premier League says England and Wales as it contains Swansea City.C. 22468 Talk to me 13:08, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is meant to refer to the countries that the league itself spans not the country that its teams are from. The League of Ireland only encompasses the Republic of Ireland regardless of Derry City's inclusion in the league. Mabuska ^(talk) 11:05, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But equally the Premier League encompasses only England regardless of Swansea's inclusion. Mooretwin (talk) 12:07, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The inclusion of Wales in the Premier League article is erroneous. Mabuska ^(talk) 16:12, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Says who? Mooretwin (talk) 16:17, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yourself if you read your previous comment: "But equally the Premier League encompasses only England regardless of Swansea's inclusion.". Mabuska ^(talk) 11:50, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

would it be better to say Countries Republic if Ireland (Derry City located in Northern Ireland).C. 22468 Talk to me 18:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know if its required. The articles lede in its second paragraph makes it clear the situation about Derry City F.C. Mabuska ^(talk) 11:51, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would favour Coolguy's suggestion. It provides the information upfront in the infobox. Mooretwin (talk) 11:58, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

so have we reach a consensus on this.C. 22468 Talk to me 17:03, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No as i don't agree. I suggest taking this to the football WikiProject (i think it has been already before) tog et the opinion of other editors as to the proper protocol for the infobox. Mabuska ^(talk) 00:21, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done, although a quick survey of leagues with members from more than one country indicates quite strongly that this article is out of step and not the other way round. Mooretwin (talk) 14:32, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You do know your proposal in effect says that the League of Ireland incorporates Northern Ireland which it doesn't. Mabuska ^(talk) 22:42, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What proposal? Mooretwin (talk) 23:47, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Capacity

Does the stadium capacity refer to the amount of seats or the amount or does it include the sections for standing?Perfectamundo (talk) 16:59, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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2023 Logo

This also applies to the LoI competitions, but we should honestly get the new logo in for the League of Ireland by now. Maybe put the old LoI logo in the History section for reference? IntMaMis (talk) 19:16, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]