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Expansion of Embassy page

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 – No comments in almost seven years. Armbrust Talk to me Contribs 15:26, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This page is an expansion of the old "Embassy World Snooker Championship" page. I've also rewritten a fair amount of it.

If anyone can help, I'd like to know how to get a table of contents. Also, the list of winners could probably be improved. --Auximines 10:52, 14 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Great work on the expansion. Just a heads up, even when you are going to expand an article under a new name, use the "move this page" button to move a page first rather than just copying and pasting the content. This preserves the edit history of the old material with their original authors, and the new stuff with you. If you run into any problems, give me or another admin a shout. You've been around about or month or so right? Give it another month or so and I will nominate you for adminship myself as I can see you are doing good things for Wikipedia. (I would nominate sooner, but there are some inflexible people at Requests for Adminship who care more about time served and number of edits rather than quality of edit or behaviour and an unsuccessful application has in the past jeopardized future re-applications). Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 11:43, 14 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

1927 World tournament

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Regarding this event, the article states that the highest break of the tournament was achieved by Albert Cope who scored 60. However, another website (The Global Snooker Centre) claims that the highest break was 57 by Joe Davis. Does anyone know which of these is correct? ChicXulub (talk) 14:38, 15 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Albert Cope's 60 comes from another page on the same site, [1]. I assumed that the 57 by Joe Davis really meant the highest break in the final, though it's not clear. --Auximines 08:16, 17 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

1966 World tournament

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Does anyone know why the 1966 world tournament ended with a score of just 5 - 2 ? ChicXulub (talk) 19:09, 15 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Just found out, it was a series of matches. Fred Davis won 5 matches to 2 matches. --Auximines 08:16, 17 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Both sexes?

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 – Just a chat. Armbrust Talk to me Contribs 15:23, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Is it open to both sexes or are only the men currently good enough to qualify? If only open to men, why? EdX20 20:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The World Championship is not open for women as this is the mens league. There is a women snooker league but i don't know anything about it other then it's existence. Efforts should be made to find out more about this and metion it in the article. -- CrazyChip 13:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A feature on the BBC coverage at this years championships would suggest that wasn't correct. It was on the women's leagues and how female snooker has suffered a lot in recent years. After they cut back to the studio Steve Davis made the point, in response to a question from Hazel, that there isn't anything to stop a female entrant to the WC, or any of the ranking tournaments - they simply have to get through the qualifying, and the problem is that the quality isn't there. Neither the WC or the ranking circuit are called the "Men's" anything. SFC9394 16:50, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The championship is open to any professional who is a member of the WPBSA. THis can be a man or a woman. No female player has ever qualified for the Crucible, although a number of women players have entered the qualifying rounds (including Allison Fisher who now plays 9-ball in the USA). In addition, there is a separate women's only circuit. Tim Sandle (timsandle@aol.com) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.172.126 (talk) 23:14, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Records - Active/Non-active

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 – No comment since already 2 years and active players are in bold. Armbrust Talk to me Contribs 15:21, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The table is very nice. Would it be possible to distinguish between the active players and the non-active ones? Maybe write their names in Bold style? 77.125.90.119 (talk) 22:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually most of the numbers are wrong in the table, Dennis Taylor, for example appeared 21 times at WSC, in this table they listed him second after Steve Davis with 28 appearances. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.234.121.150 (talk) 13:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I corrected the numbers now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.234.121.150 (talk) 14:37, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1992 World Championship qualifiers

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1992 World Championship qualifier

(Pre-qualifying divided between three clubs at Aldershot, Bolton and Sheffield on 20th – 24th July 1991) Preliminary round: G Fisken beat T McKenna 6-3; J Rees beat G Esprit 6-2; T Finstad beat AM Bjarnason 6-2; M Husnu beat D Clarke 6-5; A Cheema beat B Cassidy 6-4; P Hefford beat J Mulready 6-0; R Tavagna beat K Johnstone 6-2; D Rice beat I Stark 6-1; J Herbert beat P Horne 6-3; P Minchin beat L Lillie 6-2; K Corr beat P Mahon 6-3; John White (Canada) beat W Lloyd 6-4; P Dawkins beat N Martin 6-1; S Gill wo P Strafford; D Hamson beat K Townsend 6-5; C Booth beat R Gough 6-5; D Finbow beat S Journet 6-2; M Grainger beat A Clark 6-2; A Murphy beat N Walker 6-3; R Foxall beat M Colquitt 6-0; S Storey beat A Trigg 6-1; N Fruin beat ? 6-5; F O’Brien beat M Elliott 6-2; S Reardon beat M Stocks 6-4; P Kenny beat J Pegram 6-2; M Boyd beat T Buckley 6-3; B Snaddon beat G Burns 6-2; F Dezi wo S Webster; S Pegrum beat A Alexandrou 6-3; K Broughton beat C Archer 6-0; S Westcott wo J Baines; G Baldrey beat M Faulkner 6-5; L Spiller beat C Ravagnani 6-1; R Leighton beat S Grewal 6-4; D McDonnell beat K Payne 6-2; S O’Connor beat C Carpenter 6-4; S Judd wo P Mumford; P Davies beat D Henry 6-5; G Lees beat B O’Loughlin 6-1; Nick D Jones beat I Jones 6-4; G Grennan beat B Zee 6-1; D McLellan beat M McCarthy 6-0; R Thallon wo K Andreou; Allison Fisher beat A Rosa 6-2; M Unsworth beat G Tugby 6-5; D McGlinchey beat T Pierucci 6-4; K Young wo P Vallance; D Guest beat S Beggiato 6-5; P Maskell wo S Seymour; C Achilles beat M Eaves 6-0; J Swail beat G Hill 6-2; A Davies wo P Riley scr; M Gold beat J Harrop 6-5; A-M Farren beat M Jervis 6-4; J Weston beat I Gerrard 6-0; K Burrows beat A Ahmed 6-0; J Hawen beat D Andrew 6-2; K Ashby beat M Leach 6-0; J Walton beat M Witts 6-1; T Burke beat C Kerry 6-2; D Hackeson wo N Shaw; W Jerram beat C Milner 6-1; S Mifsud beat D Wright 6-2; J Bagley wo R Toombes; A Borg beat F Rahman 6-2; S Morris beat S Haslam 6-0; R Pincott beat R Shakespeare 6-0; S Mann beat P Gavey 6-3; H Vaizie beat J Buckingham 6-4; C Morton beat D Leary 6-1; C Nicolson beat N Segal 6-1; J Rous beat S Henderson 6-3; V McCluskey beat S Elliott 6-5; D Harold wo F Richardson; F Maskell beat L Smith 6-4; J O’Shea wo D Hoggarth; D Walker beat S Ventham 6-5; D Peach beat S Sanders 6-0; J Goodyear wo K Byers; J Delaney beat T Holtby 6-2; S Chong beat A O’Connor 6-5; O King beat K Brown 6-0; S Lanigan beat A Coutts 6-3; A Bolsover beat G Stevens 6-3; R Dickson beat D Singh 6-2; R Bigg beat J Burns 6-2; J Clouden beat R Harrhy 6-5

1st pre-qualifying round: G Fisken beat P Smith 6-3; P Daubney beat J Rees 6-3; T Finstad beat T Dunphy 6-1; W Rendle beat M Husnu 6-3; A Cheema beat M Burke 6-0; G Williams beat P Hefford 6-4; R Tavagna beat P Peratikou 6-4; D Rice beat S Parnell 6-2; J Herbert beat S Cook 6-2; B L’Orange beat P Minchin 6-4; G Horne beat K Corr 6-2; John White (Canada) beat M Wareham 6-3; P Dawkins beat R Burgess 6-3; D Rippon beat S Gill 6-4; Paul Morgan beat D Hamson 6-3; M Flowerdew beat C Booth 6-3; J Wallace beat D Finbow 6-1; P Lines beat M Grainger 6-3; A Murphy beat C Palmer 6-4; P Roulston beat R Foxall 6-5; P McPhillips beat S Storey 6-4; N Fruin beat M Parmar 6-3; F O’Brien beat L Fazekas (Canada) 6-2; E Manning beat S Reardon 6-4; P Kenny beat S Hornby 6-2; L Grant beat M Boyd 6-2; B Snaddon beat M Davis 6-4; F Dezi beat C Bernstone 6-0; J Shilton beat S Pegrum 6-3; A Hicks beat C Capel 6-2; M Campbell wo J Peplow; N Figgins wo S Green; B Jones beat N Stanfield 6-1; S Lynskey beat M Devon 6-2; C Groves beat A Peart 6-2; M King beat D Boon 6-4; S Ali beat E Clark 6-2; G Flitness beat D Lennox 6-5; Peter Williams wo T Gorman; K McAlinden wo T Guerreri; Mick Smith beat L Richardson 6-4; M Pugh beat S Haines 6-2; G Wood beat N Khan 6-1; A Taylor beat A Gamal 6-2; K Broughton beat J Woodman 6-5; R Yule beat S Westcott 6-4; G Baldrey beat A Photiou 6-0; J Manley beat L Spiller 6-2; R Leighton beat D Langton 6-2; D McDonnell beat C Barnett 6-3; J Read beat S O’Connor 6-3; S Judd beat J Williams 6-1; P Davies beat R McDonald 6-4; P Tanner beat G Lees 6-4; A Hamilton beat Nick D Jones 6-5; T Emmott beat G Grennan 6-4; D McLellan beat M Evans 6-1; M Farrimond beat R Thallon 6-1; C Small beat Allison Fisher 6-4; N Lazarus beat M Unsworth 6-4; P Ebdon beat D McGlinchey 6-1; K Young beat J Cahill 6-4; D Guest beat D Athorn 6-2; P Clutterbuck beat P Maskell 6-4; R Connor beat C Achilles 6-2; J Swail beat R Chapman 6-0; A Davies beat J Benton 6-0; M Gold beat G Bradley 6-0; A-M Farren beat N MacLachlan 6-4; J Weston beat R Moore 6-5; K Burrows beat D Grimwood 6-2; J Hawen beat P Cavney 6-5; K Ashby beat T Paling 6-2; F Fitzgerald beat S Harrison 6-0; P Seager beat R Davis 6-2; H Morgan beat P McDonald 6-1; M Carolan beat T Bolahood 6-0; Terry Murphy beat R McLeod 6-5; S Hillyard beat S Prest 6-4; C Brooks wo N Maher; G Jones beat J Leahy 6-4; S Russell beat R Mason 6-1; A Peacock beat P Webb 6-2; C Johnston-Allen beat S Lemmens 6-5; T Shaw beat R McHugh 6-2; G Sethi beat J Fox 6-2; S Haggerty beat P Seaton 6-4; P McCullagh beat B Bunn 6-2; J Walton beat K Lowndes 6-4; H Lakhani beat T Burke 6-3; J Welsh beat D Hackeson 6-3; W Jerram beat R King 6-0; J Cundy beat S Mifsud 6-2; J Bagley beat A Bishop 6-3; A Borg wo E Galati; S Morris beat J Dobson 6-2; E Henderson beat R Pincott 6-4; N Barrow beat S Mann 6-2; T Rampello beat H Vaizie 6-1; C Morton beat P Hurren 6-2; C Nicolson beat D Zeid 6-2; J Rous beat M Roughan 6-5; J Michie beat V McCluskey 6-4; D Harold wo S Wylie; F Maskell beat R Ritchie 6-4; J O’Shea beat R Pipe 6-1; D Walker beat F Porgeirsson 6-0; D Peach beat D Young 6-3; J Goodyear beat D Milton 6-5; D Venables beat J Delaney 6-5; S Chong beat P Gilchrist 6-2; O King beat D French 6-1; S Lanigan beat Jim Long 6-5; A Bolsover beat P Oakley 6-2; R Dickson beat P Lovegrove 6-1; J Tarke beat R Bigg 6-2; C Newson beat J Clouden 6-3; P Donegan beat D Lozenby 6-2; B Cakebread beat Danny Murphy 6-5; L Griffin beat D Cheung 6-1; C MacGillivray beat J Timson 6-2; J Dunworth wo N Atkins; T Norris beat M McGrotty 6-3; S Parker beat S Whalley 6-5; M Huntingdon beat D Brabiner 6-2; W Martin beat C Kikis 6-3; G Thomas beat L Robinson 6-2; S Mazrocis beat J Khan 6-0; S Swinburn beat M Henson 6-2; N Selman beat J Jorgensen 6-2; S Mellish wo P Delaney; M Dunn beat J Curtis 6-1

2nd pre-qualifying round: P Daubney beat G Fisken 6-4; T Finstad beat W Rendle 6-1; A Cheema beat G Williams 6-3; R Tavagna beat D Rice 6-2; B L’Orange beat J Herbert 6-5; G Horne beat John White (Canada) 6-4; D Rippon beat P Dawkins 6-2; M Flowerdew beat Paul Morgan 6-5; J Wallace beat P Lines 6-5; P Roulston beat A Murphy 6-4; N Fruin beat P McPhillips 6-2; F O’Brien beat E Manning 6-0; P Kenny beat L Grant 6-4; F Dezi beat B Snaddon 6-4; A Hicks beat J Shilton 6-5; N Figgins beat M Campbell 6-2; S Lynskey beat B Jones 6-5; C Groves beat M King 6-5; G Filtness beat S Ali 6-5; K McAlinden beat Peter Williams 6-0; M Pugh beat Mick Smith 6-5; A Taylor beat G Wood 6-4; K Broughton beat R Yule 6-2; J Manley beat G Baldrey 6-4; D McDonnell beat R Leighton 6-5; S Judd beat J Read 6-0; P Tanner beat P Davies 6-3; A Hamilton beat T Emmott 6-0; D McLellan beat M Farrimond 6-2; C Small beat N Lazarus 6-3; P Ebdon beat K Young 6-3; D Guest beat P Clutterbuck 6-3; J Swail beat R Connor 6-3; A Davies beat M Gold 6-3; J Weston beat A-M Farren 6-2; K Burrows beat J Hawen 6-3; K Ashby beat F Fitzgerald 6-1; P Seager beat H Morgan 6-4; Terry Murphy beat M Carolan 6-4; C Brooks beat S Hillyard 6-3; S Russell beat G Jones 6-3; A Peacock beat C Johnston-Allen 6-3; T Shaw beat G Sethi 6-4; S Haggerty beat P McCullagh 6-5; J Walton beat H Lakhani 6-4; W Jerram beat J Welsh 6-4; J Cundy beat J Bagley 6-5; A Borg beat S Morris 6-3; E Henderson beat N Barrow 6-5; C Morton beat T Rampello 6-5; C Nicolson beat J Rous 6-3; J Michie beat D Harold 6-5; F Maskell beat J O’Shea 6-3; D Walker beat D Peach 6-4; J Goodyear beat D Venables 6-5; O King beat S Chong 6-3; S Lanigan beat A Bolsover 6-5; R Dickson beat J Tarke 6-2; P Donegan beat C Newson 6-5; L Griffin beat B Cakebread 6-1; J Dunworth beat C MacGillivray 6-2; S Parker beat T Norris 6-5; W Martin beat M Huntingdon 6-5; S Mazrocis beat G Thomas 6-5; N Selman beat S Swinburn 6-5; S Mellish beat M Dunn 6-3

Final pre-qualifying round: P Daubney beat T Finstad 6-2; R Tavagna beat A Cheema 6-5; B L’Orange beat G Horne 6-5; D Rippon beat M Flowerdew 6-5; J Wallace beat P Roulston 6-0; F O’Brien beat N Fruin 6-1; P Kenny beat F Dezi 6-3; A Hicks beat N Figgins 6-4; S Lynskey beat C Groves 6-4; K McAlinden beat G Filtness 6-5; M Pugh beat A Taylor 6-2; K Broughton beat J Manley 6-3; D McDonnell beat S Judd 6-5; A Hamilton beat P Tanner 6-1; C Small beat D McLellan 6-3; P Ebdon beat D Guest 6-1; J Swail beat A Davies 6-2; K Burrows beat J Weston 6-3; K Ashby beat P Seager 6-5; C Brooks beat Terry Murphy 6-4; A Peacock beat S Russell 6-3; S Haggerty beat T Shaw 6-5; W Jerram beat J Walton 6-3; J Cundy beat A Borg 6-2; E Henderson beat C Morton 6-3; J Michie beat C Nicolson 6-0; D Walker beat F Maskell 6-1; O King beat J Goodyear 6-2; R Dickson beat S Lanigan 6-2; L Griffin beat P Donegan 6-2; S Parker beat J Dunworth 6-3; W Martin beat S Mazrocis 6-3; S Mellish beat N Selman 6-2

(Three pre-qualifying rounds at 3 well-appointed clubs at Aldershot,Bolton and Sheffield on 20th–24th July 1991 reduced the huge intake of new professionals to 33 survivors who went with the 127 existing ranked players into the five qualifying rounds and championship proper. The five qualifying rounds were played at Preston Guild Hall on 17th-30th March 1992). 1st qualifying round: P Ebdon beat D Heaton 10-2; P Kenny beat J Michie 10-9; M Pugh wo T Whitthread scr; C Cookson beat D Walker 10-8; N Terry beat J Wallace 10-8; K McAlindon beat J Fitzmaurice 10-3; S Lynsky wo G Miles; T Kearney beat E Henderson 10-9; K Ashby beat M Gibson 10-4; D Martin beat W Jerram 10-8; D Rippon beat G Scott 10-6; K Burrows beat B Demarco 10-3; A Hamilton beat B Bennett 10-0; I Williamson beat F O’Brien 10-7; E Lawlor beat R Tavagna 10-8; S Haggerty beat J Dunning 10-5; J Ferguson beat O King 10-2; K Broughton beat M Fisher 10-2; A Higgins beat W Martin 10-3; A Hicks beat G Cripsey 10-3; D McDonnell beat A Harris 10-4; A Peacock beat J Donnelly 10-3; P Daubney beat F Davis 10-1; C Small beat S Meakin 10-6; John Rea beat S Parker 10-7; S Mellish beat M Darrington 10-4; B L’Orange beat P Watchorn 10-6; S Longworth beat R Dickson 10-9; J Swail wo P Morgan scr; B Werbeniuk wo C Brooks dsd; L Griffin wo B Kelly scr; M Bradley beat J Cundy 10-9

2nd qualifying round: P Ebdon beat B Harris 10-1; P Kenny beat D Gilbert 10-8; B Pinches beat N Terry 10-5; J O’Boye beat M Bradley 10-3; M Macleod beat S Lynsky 10-5; D Rippon beat M Morra 10-8; I Brumby beat D Martin 10-5; G Natale beat K Burrows 10-4; J Whittaker beat I Williamson 10-9; J Wright beat E Lawlor 10-7; J Ferguson beat P Browne 10-0; J Grech beat S Haggerty 10-5; B L’Orange beat J Spencer 10-0; Stephen Murphy beat S Longworth 10-6; John Rea beat R Bales 10-6; S Mellish beat M Gauvreau 10-4; C Small beat K Owers 10-8; David Taylor wo B Werbeniuk scr; B Rowswell beat K Broughton 10-8; A Higgins beat P Gibson 10- 6; A Cairns beat D McDonnell 10-7; M Price beat A Peacock 10-7; J Swail beat B Oliver 10-1; P Daubney beat Martin Smith 10-6; R Foldvari beat K McAlindon 10-8; K Ashby beat R Edmonds 10-8; P Medati beat M Pugh 10-8; L Griffin beat T Wilson 10-9; A Hicks wo J Smith scr; A Hamilton beat D Campbell 10-9; T Kearney beat Tommy Murphy 10-9; S Campbell beat C Cookson 10-6

3rd qualifying round: P Ebdon beat N Dyson 10-5; J Birch beat B Pinches 10-7; D Morgan beat P Kenny 10-7; D Roe beat J O’Boye 10-9; M Johnston-Allen beat M Macleod 10-7; R Foldvari beat B Morgan 10-8; J McLaughlin beat T Kearney 10-8; C Edwards beat K Ashby 10-5; B West beat D Rippon 10-7; A Hamilton beat M Rowing 10-8; I Brumby beat F Chan 10-8; K Doherty beat G Natale 10-1; J Whittaker beat J Chambers 10-7; J Wright beat R Williams 10-2; J Ferguson beat C Roscoe 10-1; T Meo beat J Grech 10-1; I Graham beat B L’Orange 10-7; Stephen Murphy beat E Hughes 10-5; T Chappel beat John Rea 10-6; S Mellish beat L Dodd 10-6; C Small beat R Lawler 10-8; C Thorburn beat David Taylor 10-5; B Rowswell beat R Marshall 10-7; A McManus beat Alex Higgins 10-7; J Campbell beat L Griffin 10-5; A Hicks beat B Gollan 10-1; A Cairns beat W King 10-9; M Price beat N Gilbert 10-1; J Swail beat J Prince 10-9; K Stevens beat P Daubney 10-4; S Duggan beat P Medati 10-8; J Wych beat S Campbell 10-9

4th qualifying round: P Ebdon beat J Birch 10-7; D Roe beat D Morgan 10-7; M Johnston-Allen beat R Foldvari 10-4; J McLaughlin beat C Edwards 10-9; B West beat A Hamilton 10-9; K Doherty beat I Brumby 10-6; J Wright beat J Whittaker 10-6; J Ferguson beat T Meo 10-9; Stephen Murphy beat I Graham 10-6; S Mellish beat T Chappel 10-1; C Small beat C Thorburn 10-7; A McManus beat B Rowswell 10-6; A Hicks beat J Campbell 10-9; M Price beat A Cairns 10-7; K Stevens beat J Swail 10-9; J Wych beat S Duggan 10-8

Final qualifying round: P Ebdon beat C Wilson 9-0 (Wilson pulled out due to illness); E Charlton beat D Roe 10-5; M Johnston-Allen beat S Newbury 10-2; N Bond beat J McLaughlin 10-2; P Francisco beat K Doherty 10-7; R Chaperon beat J Wright 10-3; J Ferguson beat S Francisco 10-6; Stephen Murphy beat W Jones 10-8; D O’Kane beat S Mellish 10-4; C Small beat D Fowler 10-6; A McManus beat M Bennett 10-9; W Thorne beat A Hicks 10-5; M Price beat J Johnson 10-9; J Wattana beat K Stevens 10-9; T Drago beat B West 10-5; J Wych beat J Virgo 10-3

World Snooker Championship?

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Surely it should always be referred to as the ‘Snooker World Championship’ - how often do you hear about the ‘World Football Cup’? 137.108.145.250 (talk) 09:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The official name of the tournament is "World Snooker Championship". See: World Snooker hompage. Armbrust Talk to me Contribs 09:13, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"World Snooker" is the name of the governing body, and because there was only the one professional championship back in the 1960s it was just known as the "World Snooker Championship", a bit like how Wimbledon is known as "The Championships". It's a bit anachronistic but the name has stuck. There have been three professional snooker world championships down the years: The Billiards Association & Control Council snooker world championship; the Professional Matchplay Championship; the World Snooker Championship, which started in 1969 and is known as the "modern era/modern world championship. Betty Logan (talk) 15:14, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion of Table?

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If all the players who made the semi-finals but not the finals were included in the table (since 1969), how big would the table become? Does anyone know off hand? I suspect it would roughly double in size. To prevent the table becoming too big, I think it is a good idea to just show data on finalists, but in that case it should state that somewhere on the article's page.115.176.188.76 (talk) 22:40, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, only players who reached the final should be added to the table, but the information about the number of their semi-final appearances should be retained too. Armbrust Talk to me Contribs 22:45, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I half wonder if it wouldn't be better if we transferred this list to the "List of world champions", since it is data just on the finalists rather than everyone who competed in the world championship. We could put it under the Champions section that lists all the finalists, so it would follow on more naturally from that section: List_of_world_snooker_champions#Champions. We could also include the quarter-final and last 16 placings too, because at the moment we include winner/runner-up/SF and last 32 placings and just miss out QF and Last 16 placings, which seems rather arbitrary. Betty Logan (talk) 23:33, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think a transfer is a very bad idea as "List of world champions" is not about finalists. If you want feel free to create "List of World Snooker Championship finalists". This table would perfectly with in it. 23:47, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Semi-finalist section of table

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I think the semi-finalist section of the table needs to be improved. The figures as they stand now are not the number of times a player was knocked out in the semi-final stages, but the number of times they have reached that stage or better. So I changed the title in the table from “semi-finalist” to “semi-finalist or better”. Jojikiba (talk) 00:04, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No your wrong. "Semi-finalist" don't have to mean they lost in the semi-final. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 22:54, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well don't you think "semi-finalist" suggests they lost in the semi-finals? I think it could confuse some people to leave it as just "semi-finalist". Jojikiba (talk) 00:21, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe. But "Reached semi-final" will be better. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 00:56, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Reached semi-final" is OK but the problem is it sounds like they didn't go past it. If people want the figures in the table to mean how many times the players reached the semi-final, that’s fine, but the figures would have to be changed. At the moment the figures are for how many times the players reached the semi-final and final combined. So “Semi-final or better” more accurately describes the figures as they are now. Jojikiba (talk) 01:44, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I didn't think about that. Have no other ideas. Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 01:57, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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There are 3 or 4 dead links in the references, but I don't know how to mark it, so I would ask someone who knows how to do it to do it. :)-- Kukac (talk) 15:06, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0 15:31, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Records - Oldest Winner?

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Who is the oldest winner? We have a youngest record, but not oldest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.221.13.140 (talk) 15:39, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No idea. If you have a name and a source for it, than feel free to add it. Armbrust The Homunculus 16:22, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Top performers of the modern era.

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The article currently contains a table that, according to the title, should show the top performers of the modern era. However, in reality it contains all performers of the modern era (i.e. every player who has reached at least one World Championship final). So I was wondering whether we should trim this down to for instance a top ten to make this table more true to its title. Tvx1 12:54, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, the table as it currently is, is too long and as you say shows everyone who has made a final. I think the top 10 is the right place to cut it off as that would show all double champions.Jobscomforter (talk) 15:34, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Era or Crucible Era

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I'm wondering if any one has any thoughts about these, in relation to the World Championship. Modern Era starts in 1969, Crucible Era in 1977. It seems to me there is more use of the Crucible term and perhaps we should reflect that and give up the Modern term. The main change is that Ray Reardon loses most of his titles. Personally I don't see a problem since there's no difference to ignoring Joe Davis's titles. There is also use of the modern era term generally in a less precise way. eg Ronnie is "one of the most successful players in the sport's modern era", but I think that's rather a different issue. Nigej (talk) 17:11, 29 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer the term "modern era" for several reasons: the 1969 date coincides with the start of the WSA's administration of the world championship and the return to the familiar knock-out format (prior to 1969 the world championship was administered by the BACC on a challenge basis, and before then you had the "unofficial" Professional Matchplay event) and the format and administration has been relatively stable since then. Secondly, in an era of globalization and substantial Chinese investment the event is not guaranteed to remain at the Crucible, so the "modern era" frame offers more robust continuity. I think this talk of the "Crucible era" generally only comes up on anniversaries (this year's event was the 40th time the Crucible had hosted the event). Furthermore, most of the Crucible era records are "modern era" records anyway: Hendry's record 7, the Crucible curse is effectively a modern era "curse", Thorburn being the first overseas champion, all the maximums have been made at the Crucible etc. Betty Logan (talk) 16:31, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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only listing "modern era" world champions, in most titles list?

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This doesn't make sense to me. The page is about the snooker world championship, not the "modern era of the snooker world championship". Only listing modern era champions in the "most titles" seems a bit disrespectful to me. As I said, it's a page about the entire history of it - not just post 1969

Joe Davis had 690 century breaks, after all. That's twice as many as Steve Davis and 10x as many as Ray Reardon. It's not as if the quality went up in the 1970s. It went down. Way down. It seems a shame he's so marginalised when he would have won multiple world championships in any era. And is probably the 2nd or 3rd greatest player or all time

A century break, is a century break, after all. It doesn't matter who the opponent, sat there watching you is. And Joe Davis had nearly as many as Ronnie O'Sullivan!

Couldn't you have a ranking of modern era champions, and then a ranking of all champions? That would be better — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.171.128.173 (talk) 14:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I've removed the line "In 1969 the WPBSA took over regulation of the professional game from the BACC and staged a knockout tournament" as it is not supported by The Times source stated. The Billiard Player magazine for August 1968 says "the World Professional Snooker championship has reverted to a knock-out basis for next season's competition. For the first time since 1952, it will be organised and administered solely by the Billiards Association. ("Tough first round for Pulman," page 5, author not stated.) The September 1969 issue says "The BA &CC and Professional Billiard Players Association have reached agreement regarding procedure for turning professional and other events governed by the BA CC." ("B.A. & C.C. Official", page 8, author not stated.) The PBSA disaffiliated from the BA&CC from 1 October 1970 (The Billiard Player, October 1970, p. 4, author not stated.) and was renamed the WPBSA on 12 December 1970 ("Black Ball Farce and Cue Ball Wizards" by Clive Everton, p.45). BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

From The CueSport Book of Professional Snooker p.7:"While the BA and CC had tried to run the professional game, they failed miserably, and in 1971 the WPBSA took it over completely." BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:37, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Winners

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The world snooker championship dates back to 1927, so why are the first 41 years of winners and finalists excluded from the table? Starting at 1969 because someone (who?) decided that's the start of the 'modern' era seems very arbitrary to me. The tournament reverting back to a knockout format in 1969 was hardly momentous when the inaugural 1927 championship also used that format, as did most subsequent editions. As another commenter above noted, the 1977 move to the Crucible might be a more appropriate cut-off point, but still arbitrary. It would be akin only counting Open Era Wimbledon winners. A change in format, prominence or status does not mean the event's earlier history should be ignored. Otherwise rename the article World Snooker Championship since 1969. JMO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.244.89 (talk) 20:35, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article does cover the whole of history of the event, even if the table doesn't. The modern era is used by many if not all modern sources. Perhaps you'd prefer list of World Snooker Championship winners? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:57, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The only source given here for a modern era is a passing mention in a Telegraph article, which probably just copied wikipedia anyway. In any case, the article is about the world championship, not the modern era of the world championship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.132.139 (talk) 23:57, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree with that. The "modern era" has historically been used for recentism, to say that Joe and Fred Davis' records aren't worth counting. They should definitely be included. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 08:48, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I'd go for Crucible Era which seems to me to much more frequently talked about, and 100% clearly defined (see earlier discussion from 2016). I agree though that we'll hear much today about Ronnie equalling Hendry's record, which is not the record at all. Nigej (talk) 09:15, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've heard both 69 and 77 used as dates. It's not too bad using "Hendry and O'Sullivan have won the most world titles in the games Crucible/modern era if that's what the source is, but obviously we should be thorough and cover all tournaments. I've found it a little subjective, as modern era is often used from 69 when someone doesn't discount Reardon. This article for sure should count Joe, Fred, Walter ect. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 09:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure that's right, it was originally done to get Reardon to the top of the list. I just don't see the 1969 to 1976 "era" as being that clearly defined. Some season-long events like the old days, Two "Eddie Charlton" organised in Australia, 1976 played at two venues. Really it's only 1973 and 1974 that were at all similar to the later Crucible tournaments. To me, its either all from 1927 or Crucible era. This "modern era" idea doesn't work for me. Nigej (talk) 09:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Crucible era is at least something definitive whereas a term like modern era is up for debate. ie It's debatable whether an eight-man untelevised event at Victoria Halls with a 73 frame final (including dead frames) can be considered the same era as the 2022 incarnation. Personally I would prefer to include the championship's entire history as it avoids arguments about eras and cut off points. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.244.64 (talk) 17:05, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oldest Champion

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Ronnie O’Sullivan is now the oldest champion at 46 years 148 days 78.145.191.185 (talk) 20:24, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Table for just the modern era?

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Hi, Can we have a table with the results for just the modern era (from 1969 I think was how this Wikipedia article used to have it)? All news outlets and publications that I have seen talk about the record being seven world titles, shared by Ronnie O'Sullivan and Stephen Hendry.

I don't really see a problem with having one table for all players, and one for just the modern era. BrightOrion (talk) 22:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i think many/most sources talk about the crucible era rather thsn the modern era. Given that the article covers all world championships I think we should stick to the current table. Bizarrely many people believe that 7 is the record and we can hopefully educate them that that is nonsense. Nigej (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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