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On 27 May 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Capital of China. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Mukden

What about Mukden? olivier 12:44 Feb 7, 2003 (UTC)

Have Mukden/Shenyang ever been the capital, other than being the capital of Qing before entering Zhongyuan? — Insta ntnood 09:37, May 11, 2005 (UTC)

Dadu / Khanbaliq

What is the Mongolian name for Beijing during the Yuan/Mongolian Empire? --Kaihsu Tai 18:28, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC) ?? or Khanbalik

       Khanbaliq was the Mongol name.

"Peking"

Note that "Peking" does not appear in any form on this list. Wetman 20:24, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

   The term Peking is actually an old Romanization of Beijing. The term Peking was used when the Postal system was used for the Romanization 
   of Chinese words, while Beijing is the modern Pinyin Romanization. See Chinese has own writing system, which consists of multiple Chinese 
   characters that have to have their pronounciation memorized. The thing though is that, at least the English version of, Wikipedia is 
   primarily written in the Latin alphabet, so we need to use  Romanization to convert Chinese characters, which are also used to write 
   names, to Latin letters. Romanization is the process of converting words not written in Latin letters to the Latin alphabet. Now 
   Romanization can sometimes be alright, but some methods do produce mistakes and pronounciation oddities. This is one of those instances
   where Romanization was incorrect. The Chinese people actually called the city Beijing (Bay-jing), but it was translitterated by the postal    
   system to Peking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIIs6WoufX4    -Michael Ly from Vietnam

Chengtu

The ROC government moved to Canton, then Chungking. Some sources are saying that it moved to Chengtu (Chengdu) on November 30, 1949 when Chungking fell to communist control, before finally relocated to Taipei. Does "briefly" mean half a month? — Insta ntnood 17:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a list or no?

I tried to move this to "List of historical capitals of China" but someone thought this is not a simple list. Why is that? --Ideogram 22:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe because the normal way of doing such moves (when it is not clear; this article contains a lot of text while some list articles have none, or just a one-sentence intro), is to propose them at the "Discussion" page of that article first. That way, it shows that you're a member of our community, particularly when there are long-term editors on a specific page that you are newly coming to, who have good ideas for the reasons they edited the page the way it is. Of course, there is always room for good new ideas. Badagnani 23:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So I'm discussing it now. --Ideogram 23:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the article it appears that it is an actual text article, with a list included. There are many WP articles like this. A strict list would not have text beyond perhaps a one-sentence introduction. Badagnani 23:15, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Then it should be split into an article and a true list. --Ideogram 23:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why? It's fine the way it is. SchmuckyTheCat 23:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Object to splitting - the article seems very fine, and useful, as it is. The small amount of text amplifies the list--one stop shopping. Badagnani 23:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, it's not important enough to me to argue about. --Ideogram 23:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is a list, should need a clean up, should there be a column for modern provinces, like Chu Kingdom was based in Fuzhou, Fujian? maybe not, just a thought.--Visik (talk) 12:17, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy

I think it is very unfair that Beijing was singled out here. Its not like as if Nanjing didn't have its faults either. Unlike Beijing, Nanjing was a city surrounded by water on three sides, thus easily vulnerable to artillery and naval bombardments. Besides, Beijing being the capital, served as a northern base, helped keep the frontier regions in check as well as introducing some degree of economic equity between the North and South.

Just my 2 cents. -Shenzhou12 (talk) 03:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the rulers in China's history were northern Chinese. Beijing already had developed infrastructure such as the Great Wall, political system, Grand Canal, seaport in Bohai and closer to the seat of governments of other countries such as Japan, Korea...etc.

Thats how mandarin became the language of the courts. The culture of the Northern Chinese holds sway in China. Southern China was mainly indigenous people who were subsequently assimilated into Chinese culture and became the modern people in Guangdong, Fujian and Zhejiang.--Visik (talk) 12:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nanjing would be the logical capital in terms of food and water supply but wouldn't Xian and Luoyang be considered more elligible because of their historical significane and the fact they are in the center of the country?--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 03:27, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to know who wrote that section as well. Full of weasel words and highly biased.

71.241.74.20 (talk) 03:09, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Misdirect?

Later Jin redirects to Qing Dynasty.ZFT (talk) 00:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese Imperial City Planning By Nancy Shatzman Steinhardt

http://books.google.com/books?id=in68DmD8YVoC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 19:53, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest adding a column for "Equivalent Modern City Name" to the Chronology table that lists ancient historical capitals. Suggestion

It is somewhat difficult for a newcomer to Chinese history, to identify where the ancient capitals are, especially when name changes occur from one historical period to another. Is it possible to add a column to the "Chronology" table, that lists the name of the modern city that is situated where the ancient historical capital was located? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivanlee44 (talk • contribs) 07:49, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Details provided during the period from 1945 to our days

I believe that the details about this period should form a subject of a different entry. As it is, the presentation appears to an unprejudiced eye (I am no communist) as putting on equal footing the PRC and Taiwan, which would evidently be a biased report of the political situation. Affection for Taiwan China, should not reach the point where reality is distorted. In rough terms, the capital of China since 1948 has been Beijing. Taipeh may be added for their claims to govern China, but including the numerous cities, which were once used as cover names to try hiding the fact that Nationalists were loosing ground, looks more like a hoax now after some 70 years. Does it not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LEMEN (talk • contribs) 13:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Map of ancient and medieval capitals

See the image's talk pages here and at commons. In short, it needs to be replaced or split: it includes some but not all regional capitals (regional capitals should be omitted or put into a separate image); it includes one but not all alternate capitals (we shouldn't bother showing all alternate capitals but if we include Shengdu we should include all the others); it includes some but not all alternate names (for clarity's sake it should just show the current names and explain the historic ones in the running text); it omits the Qin capital Xianyang; etc. — LlywelynII 16:40, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 May 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 02:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Historical capitals of China → Capital of China – While it's in the process of being moved, I'm gonna add the constitutional context like other country related capitals do. Silence of Lambs (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - The current title accurately reflects the fact that the article is historical in nature. The proposed title seems more appropriate for an article about the present-day capital of China. Phlar (talk) 02:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per @Phlar Killuminator (talk) 22:36, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.