Talk:Hamlet (disambiguation)

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There is a difference between a hamlet in the US and a hamlet in the UK, namely that in the US it is merely a small place, but in the UK it is a village that is lacking a parish. If you wish to make them both the same article, please change all the links that I've just disambiguated. Francs2000 20:37, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

disambig / naming ...

I can imagine that most pages pointing to Hamlet refer to the play, but "Hamlet" isn't even the correct name of it, while ther are several other things and places which are really named "Hamlet".

I suggest, as a first step, to change the name of the current "Hamlet" (tragedy) page to a more correct name ("The Tragedy of Hamlet", or "Hamlet, Prince of Denmark", or "The Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark").

The page "Hamlet" could remain a redirect to the play's page until a robot changed the links that clearly point to the play. If there's another short-named redirect page (like Hamlet (play) or Tragedy of Hamlet), it remains easy for people to refer specifically to the play if they want.

In a second step, I think that the "Hamlet" page should provide a somehow direct link to the page about the word "hamlet" (an encyclopedia should respect some minimal logic...), and to the things (persons, places,...) whose correct name is "Hamlet".

I find it regrettable that the most basic meaning of "hamlet" is rather hidden ~~and completely ill classified~~ in hamlet (place). — MFH:Talk 19:10, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

'Hamlet' is the play's correct name, it's just not its full name. 'Hamlet' qua the name of the play is a word, and a more commonly wikilinked one than 'hamlet' the common noun. Mark ^{your words} 19:49, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My 2p worth here. AndyJones 11:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of film adaptations

I removed the list of films. It seems to me that linking to Hamlet on screen can provide more complete information, without overwhelming this page with such a long list. Theoldsparkle (talk) 16:39, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. No need to reiterate the same stuff here.Millertime246 (talk) 16:50, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Hamlet" routers (and other)

There is the "Hamlet" (Hamletcom¹) routers and other - expecially networking - computer products²) brand.

¹: see english.hamletcom.com/about-us.aspx for the company info
Hamlet is a registered trademark by Riom Services Limited
Registered Office: 7th Floor, Hume House, Ballsbridge, Dublin 4, Ireland
Registered in Ireland: No. 266378
Start up-Capital: € 1.425,100

²: see english.hamletcom.com/products/ for the full list of products:
led lighting (220V/12V/desk lamps)
tablet pc (tablet and accessories)
3D printers
networking (lan card, switch, router, wireless, bluetooth, print server, powerline, networking accessories)
videosurveillance
connectivity (adsl/analog modem router, isdn terminal adapter, connectivity accessories)
notebook accessories (pcmcia - express card, add on peripherals, mobility storage, tiramisù & accessories)
storage (external HD, SSD, HD enclosure, usb memory, flash card, media reader/writers)
photo & audio/video (video audio & voip, webcam, radio tv tuner)
pc & server accessories (i/o card, mouse & keyboard, add on peripherals)
power management (car power adapter, power adapter, smart power strip)
MacOS/linux selection (networking, storage, accessories)

Have a nice day, Nickh ²+, 151.18.8.9 (talk) 22:16, 23 March 2017 (UTC).[reply]

Requested move 27 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) The editor whose username is Z0 10:33, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hamlet (disambiguation) → Hamlet
Hamlet → Hamlet (play)

– DAB from Hamlet (place) which is probably primary by the 2nd criteria. There is also not a significant order of magnitude in views [[1]] and often incorrect links are made referring to the type of settlement which would be easy to correct as they are very different topics. It could also be moved to The Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, its full name per WP:NATURALDIS. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:32, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. [ checks the date. ] You're not seriously going to argue that the play is not the primary topic?!? Walk up to anyone on the street and ask what "Hamlet" is, and you'll get the play (or possibly the main character, which would actually be a more plausible #2 choice for primary topic). It's the top hit on Google. In fact, the first couple of pages of google hits. It's the suggestion Siri and the other big virtual assistants gives you for the term. It's the first couple of pages of hits on JSTOR and Project MUSE. On Oxford Journals the first two hits are about a tumor-killing human milk protein that is… named after the play; and the rest are about the play. The second criteria might conceivably come into play, but the term for a small village only predates the play's 400+ year primacy by only, at most, a couple hundred years, and then only in the form "hamelet" (because it's borrowed from Old French, and the "-let" is just the dimminutive suffix on the term for a village). Meanwhile, there are entire scholarly works on the name of the play and its derivations and significance. Oh, and the "full name" of the play is actually either The Tragicall Historie of Hamlet Prince of Denmarke. By William Shake-speare. As it hath beene diuerse times acted by his Highnesse seruants in the Cittie of London: as also in the Vniuersities of Cambridge and Oxford and elsewhere. (1603, Q1), The Tragicall Historie of Hamlet Prince of Denmarke. By William Shakespeare. Newly imprinted and enlarged to almost as much againe as it was, according to the true and perect Coppie. (1604), or The Tragedie of Hamlet, Prince of Denmarke. (1623) depending on which edition you assign primacy. The Arden Shakespeare used the 1604 edition, while the last The Oxford Shakespeare used the 1623 First Folio. Then again, Arden published a second standalone edition of the 1603 and 1623 texts as a companion to their 1604 edition-based main publication. The normal name for the play now is simply "Hamlet". --Xover (talk) 11:35, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not disputing that this isn't the most common meaning today, I don't think it is clearly the primary meaning, there are thousands of hamlets in England alone. While most search engines will give the play I would say that on Wikipedia the type of place is also reasonably likely. My point about using "The Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark" was just an alternative, I agree it is nearly always just "Hamlet" but if that is apparently its full name then that could be used as a possibility. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:48, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, you are underestimating just how notable the play is. It also doesn't matter what the title of the article is, the primacy of the term "Hamlet" is a separate matter. —Xezbeth (talk) 19:17, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not disputing the high popularity and notability of the play, just that it isn't primary over the settlement type and the other articles. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:40, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't the settlement just a synonym for village? Hyperbolick (talk) 19:48, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, a hamlet in England means a settlement without a church, although that has been slightly disputed. Mercury is the name of several highly notable topics, as is the case for "Hamlet", again I'm not saying the settlement type is primary, just that the play isn't. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Doubtful that distinction is rigorous. Hyperbolick (talk) 19:59, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Whether or not the distinction is rigorous or not isn't particularly relevant here, and if it was then there would be a lot more notable hamlets if all villages were hamlets! Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:03, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Or none, if hamlets were villages. Hyperbolick (talk) 20:06, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Hyperbolick (talk) 19:28, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, thee in beforeth the snær, and will sayeth no more but break, my heart, for I must hold my tongue. Randy Kryn (talk) 21:23, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely Oppose. Avg daily views: Hamlet, 3771; Hamlet (place), 558. And that disparity will only increase now that school is back in session. Mr. Shakespeare’s play is clearly the leading topic named “Hamlet”. Making “Hamlet” a disambiguation page would only slow down and place a roadblock in the way of the vast majority of users who are searching “Hamlet” to find the article about the play. Markhh (talk) 02:07, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Needn't guess. It's possible to see page views since the start of the year, [2] Hyperbolick (talk) 12:32, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But it would speed up navigation to all other pages and reduce incorrect links. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:37, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Clear WP:PTOPIC. Anyone supporting a move should also volunteer to repair the 5,000+ incoming links which would be broken by a move. Compare that to the 8,183 bad links to DAB pages reported today (see WP:TDD). Narky Blert (talk) 13:02, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Narky Blert: There are often incorrect links made, which Xezbeth (talk · contribs) has just fixed some but they are frequently made. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:21, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There's a decent amount, but that's more a consequence of lesser geographical articles having extremely low traffic. It just puts it in the same category as Apple, mouse and others that require maintaining every now and again. —Xezbeth (talk) 13:27, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And previously The Sun, but those meanings are the traditional meanings, Hamlet, the play isn't, the settlement type is, though its not nearly as common. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:30, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the Shakespeare play is primary over the WP:DICTDEF; which is pretty much what Hamlet (place) is. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:29, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The play is unquestionably the primary topic. I don't fathom how once can characterize the pageviews difference as insignificant when the play is consistently the number-one-ranked article, by a margin of at least seven times the runner-up. TJRC (talk) 01:05, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, for the obvious reasons listed above. This proposed change not only makes no logical sense, but actually causes a lot of navigational problems. Hallward's Ghost ^(Kevin) ^{(My talkpage)} 21:33, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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