Talk:Beijing Capital International Airport

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User:Huaiwei has continued to assert his point of view. The airport has characterised itself as being the first in rankings for airports in mainland China (e.g. the company claims it's the first among all airports in "全国" in 2002: [1] "旅客吞吐量达2715.97万人次...三大指标在全国各大机场均排名第一"). Nevertheless Huaiwei has tried his every effort to pull Hong Kong into the picture, whenever possible.. to any article. For many practical purposes Hong Kong and Macau are differentiated from the rest of the People's Republic of China, and this implies no incongruent of sovereignty. — Instantnood 19:04, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

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It is certainly newsworthy that Beijing has overtaken HK as the busiest airport in the PRC, for it was the first time this has occured since the figures were released for the perior up to September 2005. What "point of view" am I trying to assert by doing so? 全国 means "the entire country". Does it mean Mainland China? You continue to attempt to add Mainland China into this article for no overwelmingly valid reason to do so other than to obviously trumpet the supposed "HK sovereignty" issue based on your whines above. Do you have proof that I am trying to push my POV?--Huaiwei 19:10, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

In what way is its position as the busiest in mainland China not notable, considering mainland China is an economy by itself? Is the airport politically incorrect to have made that statement? There are many more sources saying 全国 while excluding Hong Kong, Macau and territories under ROC administration. What does that imply? — Instantnood 19:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

That it is the busiest in the PRC already means it is the busiest in Mainland China too for obvious reasons, unless you have trouble decifering this logic. Meanwhile, you are now insisting 全国 = Mainland China?--Huaiwei 19:39, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Was this airport the busiest in the PRC before August 2005? Does it change the fact that it has been the busiest among airports in mainland China for many years? How would you interpret what 全国 means in that webpage? — Instantnood 20:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

The reason why Hong Kong and Macau should be left out is that they are under different domestic administration under the "one country, two systems" approach. In almost all of Wikipedia, "全国" excludes Hong Kong, Macau, and places under ROC administration. Physicq210 01:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Terminal 2 to Taiwan?

I must protest at this being in here at all. There is no evidence to suggest that Taiwan or China will be re-united in the near future, in fact there is more evidence to suggest otherwise. I am removing this statement.Segafreak2 14:19, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Lead

Please consider moving all the alternate information in the lead (different languages and scripts etc) and put them in the infobox instead.--Filll 17:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Pic of Terminal 1?

Where can I find a pic of the new and renovated Terminal 1? Bucs2004 20:04, 27 February 2007 (UTC) 7, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

In Chaoyang?

I'd like to see the map from which the evidence is taken that the airport is in Chaoyang District. I live in Shunyi not even 10 minutes drive west of the airport and every map I've ever seen marks the Wenyu River as the dividing line between Shunyi and Chaoyang in this area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iainsona (talk • contribs) 06:54, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Accroding to the administrative map of Beijing [2], the Beijing Capital Airport is located in an enclave of Chapyang District, that is, it is enclosed by Shunyi District, but governed by Chaoyang District. The name of this administrative division is 'Capital Airport Street'. --115.130.7.63 (talk) 22:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Removed paragraph about CO and AA flights to Beijing Capital Airport

I don't see reason why it should appear as the first paragraph in the Terminals, airlines and destinations section. The information is included in the table of all airlines serving the airport. Zhxlier (talk) 19:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC)zhxlier

Poised to grab title of #1 in the world

Due to the unprecidented growth of Beijing Capital International Airport at nearly 14% growth rate, wikipedia moderators and editors need to be on top of the latest statistics and update accordingly. Indeed, following this month's data, Beijing may very well take over the #1 position in the world in terms of busiest airport. The wikipedia pages on this topic will need to be changed very very soon, as this inevitably is going to happen in the next few weeks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.48.162.127 (talk) 23:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

• As soon as reliable sources come out, we can adjust statistics. Until then... WhisperToMe (talk) 09:16, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Cargo Terminal info

I found this info about some new cargo terminals:

• "Beijing Cargo Terminal 3 of ACC came into service." (Archive) Wing. Air China Cargo. Volume 1, 2011. p. 5.

WhisperToMe (talk) 09:16, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Detroit?

Delta flies to Detroit but its not listed on the illustrated map. Give the motor city some love!--207.46.92.19 (talk) 09:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Runway mix-up?

According to the info bar on the right side of the article, runway 18L/36R is 11,302' and 18R/36L is 12,467'. That is, 18R/36L is the longer of the two. However, I don't believe that's the case. I measured the runways in Google Earth, and the one that is marked 18R at its northern end (the runway indication at the southern end is covered by a plane) is 10,900', and the one that is clearly marked 18L/36R is 12,900'. It seems that 18L/36R is the longer runway.

If you're wondering how I came to discover this discrepancy, here's the article I started with: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/worlds-longest-airport-walks_n_1778146.html

Longest airport walk from entrance to farthest gate: Beijing Capital, Terminal 3, at two miles! A two-mile terminal should be just a hair shorter than an 11,302-foot runway, but the terminal is quite a bit shorter than 18L/36R.

Perhaps someone would like to add that neat little fact to the main article.

Sonnyrosenthal (talk) 20:02, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Development

Is there any developing plans? Will it be a four runway airport as Atlanta? This airport will superpass Atlanta in few years... yet to have three runways. 91.77.240.149 (talk) 22:02, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

No mention of worst airport in the world?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beijing_Capital_International_Airport&oldid=586345427&diff=prev

Not one word is allowed to talk about how bad it is to be the most smogged in airport on Earth? Hcobb (talk) 15:43, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Smog and pollution are barely significant factors in the magnitude of delays in Beijing compared to summer thunderstorms in conjunction with severely restricted civilian airspace across China. If the major factors are not even mentioned in the lead section, why is smog relevant there? There are plenty of news sources about PEK being the worse in the world in whatever categories, but those are statistics published after the summer, not a current (winter) problem. HkCaGu (talk) 17:17, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request

Can someone add Iraqi Airways to Baghdad and Basra as the airline has started service on 23 August 2014. Terminal however unknown. Source: 71.12.206.168 (talk) 19:26, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 19:55, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Already done! 71.12.206.168 (talk) 03:07, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request

Can someone add Denpasar to Garuda Indonesia as the airline will launch that route on 12 January 2015? Source: http://airlineroute.net/2014/11/14/ga-dpspek-jan15/. 71.12.206.168 (talk) 16:57, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 00:28, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Edit Request

Can someone please add Dongying as a destination of China Eastern Airlines? This six-weekly route has been in operation since 29 April 2014. Flight number is MU2145/2146. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GregoryCrawley (talk • contribs) 08:27, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Done. Added MU PEK to DOY also. HkCaGu (talk) 09:23, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2015

Replace the following sentence: "Construction is expected to begin in 2014 and be completed in 2018." with "Construction began in late 2014 and is expected to be completed in 2018."

See the linked Daxing airport page for confirmation. 66.167.51.253 (talk) 15:47, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Done  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  16:11, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Edit Request for Air China's destinations

Can someone please take Medan off of Air China's destinations? The airline is not flying there.

Air China is also adding a new service to Macau from 5 March 2015.

Please ignore the first reference.

References

In the two tables

under the entry Airlines and destinations, a number of entries (two cargo, the rest passenger) represent exclusively destinations within People's Republic of China. For each entry where this appeared to be the case, I carefully checked each airport that I wasn't sufficiently confident was in China, to make sure it was a China-only entries. I bolded the China-only entries and added a notice:

Note: In the following two tables of passenger or cargo destinations, a bolded column 1 entry means that all destinations listed in said row are within People's Republic of China. (This includes entries with only one or two destinations. People's Republic of China includes Hong Kong, Macau, and Tibet Autonomous Region; but not Taiwan.) Lists may be incomplete, so even if all destinations listed are within China, there may be other destinations, not listed, that are not in China. Or destinations may be added or dropped over time.

Thus, readers can easily see which airline–terminal combinations serve only domestic flights. These boldings should be added or removed, as appropriate, if information changes. Or the notice can be worded better. Okay?--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 08:38, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT provides no such examples for this for any airport worldwide. Discussions since 2004 had consistently been against providing too much in details. Per WP:NOTTRAVEL, destinations are presented just to illustrate an airport's reach and not supposed to be a travel guide. Domestic and international destinations are not separated unless there is a difference in terminal. So an airline being domestic or not is not encyclopedic, especially if you include HK and Macau in the definition of "PRC" when in practice these are "international" flights. HkCaGu (talk) 17:20, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit Request

Shenzhen Airlines is starting service to Osaka-Kansai from 1 July 2015 as per http://airlineroute.net/2015/04/29/zh-pekkix-jul15/. Can someone add it to the table but make it a separate listing since it will operate out of Terminal 3E. 97.85.113.113 (talk) 04:47, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Done I got it Oripaypaykim (talk) 05:06, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

International Destinations by Skyteam

I noticed that some Skyteam members (CZ and MU to be exact) operates 1-stop flights to international destinations from PEK. Some of these flights, however, passes through hubs of CZ and MU. I understand that any flights with a plane change should NOT be listed as direct destinations (for example, MU flies PEK-PVG-DEL but with plane change at PVG; thus, DEL should not be listed as a destination for MU). But what about those that use the same plane(ex. CZ323/324 PEK-CAN-PNH)?

According to WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT, both the flight number and plane type must be the same. If it passes through a domestic hub, then it is not genuinely direct. So CZ through-CAN is excluded. "Timetable directs" that do not remain stable are also excluded. However, extraordinary situations can be included, such as when the short domestic route is served by an unusually type (long-haul, international) of aircraft, e.g. AC SYD-YVR-YYZ, YYZ-YUL-Europe. But the plane must be able to remain at the same gate even if passengers have to get off (customs, etc.) So it will depend on an airport's layout. In PVG, planes can be at one gate and be served by different floors (domestic/international), but after an discussion, some continuations were excluded because of multiple simultaneous flights like these. HkCaGu (talk) 02:50, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I see. So if I get you correctly, most 1-stop international destinations that passes through domestic hubs should NOT be listed, unless the aircraft used are significantly different from other airplanes operating along the same domestic route. If that's the case I think most MU and CZ international destinations should not be on this list. Thanks for the clarification!

What kind of maps is needed here?

It says that a map is needed to improve the article's quality. What kind of a map is needed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hzzzzzzztherazor (talk • contribs) 17:51, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Some issues with the Terminal 3 section

There are some parts of this section do not make sense. I would like to see if these can be cleared up.

"Under the white strips, the basic color of the ceiling is orange with light to dark tones indicating where a passenger is inside the building. The roof is light orange in the center. The color deepens as the roof extends to the sides in T3E and goes the other way round in T3C." Does this mean that the roof in T3E is dark red in the center and becomes orange at the sides (inverse of T3C), or does it become lighter towards the edges, presumably approaching yellow?

"In T3C, a tunnel landscape of an underground garden has been finished with plants on each side so that passengers can appreciate them inside the mini-train." This section also may need a citation.

Bajor9 (talk) 02:37, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Beijing Capital International Airport/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

There need to be more citations and references, and I have added a few tags indiciting certain needed references.Gittinsj 03:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)gittinsj Agreed. And this is over 6 years later...that is sort of a problem. WT101 (Chat • Count) 20:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

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