Talk:Before and After Science

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July 16, 2009	Good article nominee	Listed

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White thing poking left eye on album cover

Mention what that white thing is poking his left eye on the album cover. Jidanni (talk) 01:55, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's the other side of his cheek that just get's hit by the light but this is pretty trivial and I can't really find any other information about it. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1977 or 1978?

"Before and after Science is a 1977 album..."

"Brian Eno chronology... Before and after Science (1978)"

Discrepancy. Someone with definite knowledge please sort out. I suspect it's a difference between release of record and publication of music, but I don't know. 86.0.169.202 (talk) 17:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody's typo I suspect - fixed. Thanks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:18, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not mistakenly keep moving the article under a capitalized After

Brian Eno's express typography was to use lower case. This happens to be within his purview. It is also a matter of stylistic convention. Persons raised on Chicago Manual of Style will recognize it as such, because CMS downcases all prepositions. In any case, please read Capitalization and leave this album alone. Thanks. --Mareklug ^talk 20:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Veracity of status as an anagram

there are two "f" 's in each phrase. You are really not a puzzle person, and neither is the person who acted on your suggestion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.88.229.196 (talk) 17:53, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmation seems needed for the statement, "'Before and after Science' is in fact an anagram for 'Arcane Benefits of Creed.'" — I'm not a puzzle person, so I don't know the answer, but can it be a true anagram if the one "f" in "Benefits" is used twice? Reading "in fact" didn't convince me.24.18.229.217 (talk) 17:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed this information in the article since I can't find any information about it. It's pretty trivial anyhow. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Source of the phrase in the album title

In a radio interview I heard when the album was released, Eno gave the quote from which the title came. I have long forgotten the origin and the quote was something like "Before and after science, all things are unchanged." I have had no luck at all in tracking it down, however. Robert G. Ingersoll, maybe it was.

GA Review

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Starting GA review. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:03, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quick fail criteria assessment

The article completely lacks reliable sources – see Wikipedia:Verifiability.
The topic is treated in an obviously non-neutral way – see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.
There are cleanup banners that are obviously still valid, including cleanup, wikify, NPOV, unreferenced or large numbers of fact, clarifyme, or similar tags.
The article is or has been the subject of ongoing or recent, unresolved edit wars.
The article specifically concerns a rapidly unfolding current event with a definite endpoint.

No problems found when checking against quick fail criteria, starting substantive review. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Checking against GA criteria

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose):
I made a couple of minor copy-edits
b (MoS):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references):
Ref #14 [1]was dead, but I found an archived version at the Internet Archive. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
b (citations to reliable sources):
All other references appear OK
c (OR):
It is broad in its scope.
a (major aspects):
b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
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Pass/Fail:
All OK, congratulations, this is a Good Article. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:27, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Julie With...

... Julie Christie ... the 36-year-old-actress has taken up with a 29-year-old rock musician named Brian Eno and they've been seen everywhere together. Sloan, Robin Adams (1978-03-19). "The Gossip Column". The Citizen, Auburn N.Y. Auburn, NY. Retrieved 2015-10-27.

There's probably more support. I'll see about drilling for it later.

Assessment comment

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Article requirements:

Y Start: reasonably complete infobox; lead section with overview of album; track listing; reference to at least primary personnel by name; Categorization by at least artist and year.

C: all of start and (1) cover art in infobox; (2) at least one additional section of prose; (3) track lengths & song authors in tracklist; (4) a personnel section including all musicians.
B: all of C and (1) most technical details in infobox; (2) technical personnel in personnel section; (3) no obvious issues with sourcing; (4) no obvious issues with readability, though it may not conform completely to style guidelines; (5) no glaring omissions of information or extraneous information, like trivia.
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This article contains all of the start class criteria, but lacks an additional section of prose. (Miscellanea sections are discouraged and do not count.) Please add additional information. There are suggestions at WP:ALBUM. Given this, the article would qualify for a "C" class, although it needs proper sourcing to meet the current "B" criteria.

Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Assessment for additional information on article class. To request a reassessment from the Album project, when concerns are addressed, please see "requesting an assessment". --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 17:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 05:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 09:20, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

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