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Chinese name or Korean name?

The proper article name needs to be determined, for geographic features on the Chinese - North Korean border. Based on Wikipedia policies such as WP:NC, it appears that the most common name should be used. But there is argument as to which is more popular.

Chonji or Tianchi? See Talk:Chonji#Requested move
Baekdu Mountain or Changbai Mountain? See Talk:Baekdu Mountain

--Endroit 17:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.--Peta 01:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

China, PRC, Mainland China, and Hong Kong categorisation

I posted a note some time ago about categorisation relating to Hong Kong (and on the same basis, Macau) at the categorisation project page. I invite anyone interested in such matters to participate, either there on in some other centralised location. Similar issues seem to arise at any number of CFD and SFD debates, it would be good to have an agreed approach to the subject in general, rather than tackling them on a one-off basis every time. Alai 19:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gojoseon

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Gojoseon (古朝鮮) ?

Recent edits made to Gojoseon (古朝鮮) suggest that Gojoseon covered all of Manchuria as far north as the Amur and Argun rivers and as far inland as the Greater Khingan Range. This appears to be a Breathejustice-like POV-push to me. If anyone's interested, can you take a look to see how legitimate the edits are? -- ran (talk) 19:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism likely in the next few months

The Academic Decathlon is a national high school academic competition. Each year a different topic is chosen. Last year's was the Renaissance in Europe; this year's is China. Most students use Wikipedia extensively. Last year there was some vandalism in the Renaissance pages by AD competitors. There is likely to be more this year in the China pages.

Just a heads-up.

LY --68.36.211.222 19:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Acadec sucks. -- Миборо в ский 00:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mandarin Emperor style dildo

Can some veterans who know some Chinese take a look at the sources of thise article and verify their contents? - Mgm|^(talk) 08:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Vernacular scripts

vote on the use of scripts--D-Boy 01:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nathu La Peer Review

Hi all,

I have started a Peer Review of Nathu La article. The article is very intimately linked to China. Since most of the editors to the article till now have been Indians, there is a chance that inadvertently pro-India POV may have crept in the article. I request the editors to provide inputs if they feel that the article presents the topic in non-neutral light. Of course, general comments on the article are also welcome. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 11:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Warlord era

Hello,

Though the Warlord era is definitely an important subject, I feel that this template is simply too large as it currently exists. I believe that it should be split into four parts, and have created sample templates that show this idea. They can be viewed by going to User:Danaman5/Workshop and clicking on the four "Warlord era"" links. Please leave any comments on my user talk page.

Thanks, --Danaman5 06:49, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

garbage

ladies and gentlemen, the Chinese language article is officially garbage.

"Both Guanhua and Putonghua are called Mandarin Chinese in the West but they are indeed different languages."

"China has had only two official languages in its entire history. 满语 Manyu, the Manchu language, was the first official language of China, from 1644 till 1912. 普通话 Putonghua has been the official language of China since 1958. Before 1958, no form of Chinese was ever the official language of China."—Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.21.155.14 (talk • contribs)

One garbage section does not mean that the entire article is garbage. The garbage section is now removed however, thanks for putting the notice :)! AQu01rius (User  Talk) 04:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Guandonghua and Putonghua are only spoken. The writing is the same so there no differences in an article."Mike Ma (talk · contribs)

Not entirely true, as there are many idioms from one, which when put in writing, are not understood to speakers of the latter. However, your assertion is true enough in a broad sense. Ohconfucius (talk) 03:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvios on Chinese articles

I found copyright violations on the following pages:

It's also possible that the following page violates copyright, at least in part:

Walled villages of Hong Kong -- the original's here —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Élan (talk • contribs) 19:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

These are NOT copyright violations. The referenced pages at www.iblio.org each contain text and images lifted from Wikipedia articles on or somewhat after 26 April 2006. Previous histories show the building of the articles from many contributions over a period of time. See in particular Imperial roof decoration and its talk page, (I contributed both of the images and most of the text associated with the article claimed to be the violated source). I have removed the tags that were posted by Elan (note that posting of copyvio tags has been the only contribution to WP by Elan). -Leonard G. 04:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The website operator has responded to my notification of this matter and I have informed him of various options concerning licensing and display of text and images. This was due to an error in source verification of the work contributed by an intern and has been largely corrected, with some continuing effort required on his part to properly accredit images, or on my part, to release images contributed by myself under cc-sa to the public domain, which I have offered. - Leonard G. 00:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Octopus Card Featured Article Review

Octopus card has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. -- Ch e z ^{(Discuss / Email)} 00:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:SummerThunder

This user is currently pushing POV into the articles Blocking of Wikipedia in mainland China and Chinese Wikipedia. The same user has already been permanently banned in the Chinese Wikipedia for aggressive POV-pushing and personal attacks.

Please come take a look if you're interested. -- ran (talk) 01:39, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

wikiproject china

Its now up on hindi wikipedia at विकिपीडिया:विकिपरियोजना चीन . Kingrom 23:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome. I wonder if there are any Hindi-speaking Chinese. AQu01rius (User  Talk) 02:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can some sysop protect this page South Tibet

Blocking the page from editing [[1]],someone keep up deleting the materials and making some funny reasons to the deletion such as my poor english or the chinese pinyin Zangnan didn't mean South Tibet. --Ksyrie 10:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This "someone" is me. Your English is fine, and I'm not a native speaker either. Ksyrie, don't distort the facts. I've only been removing unsourced material and unsuitable links.[2] I was just going to ask for help from other editors with that article and I'd actually be very grateful for more different voices in the discussion on South Tibet. —Babelfisch 03:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese

I noticed that for some of the Chinese history articles names of emperors, places, or other things would be written in only simplified Chinese or traditional Chinese. I feel that perhaps both versions of the name should be included since both names would still be used to describe the object, place, or person. Also, I feel that some of the romanizations for the names of people, places, or things might be off. For example, I noted that Huang Taiji, the first Qing emperor, was repeatedly referred to as Hung Taiji, which is very inaccurate in that "Hung" does not refer to any known Chinese character in the official Chinese dialect of Mandarin. AkrobaticMonkey 04:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If there is to be a default character set, I believe the trad chinese character set should prevail as it is more universal - many people outside China can only read trad chinese while all simp readers will know the trad characters. Personally, I believe that having too many characters and transliterations detracts from a given article, and may put people off reading it. It can stop people dead in ther tracks right at the beginning of an article, and so should be used with restraint. I have seen otherwise well written articles littered with both character sets, for example Jingkang Incident, which I have since ejected to a section below. My preference is that these are best kept within the chinese language template {{Chinese}} or somesuch, such as for Yue Fei, leaving the body of article free of these. The Genghis Khan and Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 articles also have that problem, as the name is in more languages and or alternatives, and editors have chosen, wisely in my view, to take that out of the lead section to a section below. Where another Chinese name which appears in a given article is already linked to anothe wiki article, the link should obviate the need to include its Chinese name. Ohconfucius 01:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The statement above that "all simp readers will know the trad characters" is untrue. On Monday evening my local restaurant in Shenzhen allocated tables to specific captains, putting a plate with their name on the table. I pointed out to the captain of my table that the second part of her surname was "east" [dong] written as a traditional character, and so it was easy for me to remember. She denied this and wrote a simplified "east". We discussed the matter with most people firm one way or the other, until a mahjong set was produced, and I was awarded the point. Other common characters that are mutually incomprehensible are "gate" [men] and "guang" as in the provinces. I think that the statement that "all trad readers will know the simp characters (either now or very soon in wiki terms)" is closer to the truth, and so would strongly support the use of simplified on all articles concerning China. I agree that they should be kept to a bare minimum.

BTW - The article on Shenzhen makes we weep.

Mikecc46 (talk) 06:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Mikecc46. Many young chinese in China as well as Chinese diaspora in other territories such as Singapore/Malaysia are being taught simplified chinese in their education systems, so the future generations within these areas will not be familiar with traditional chinese words. It will be unfair for them to try and recognise traditional characters. In the future, when most Chinese in China are educated in the simplified form and the older generation are dead and gone, whose to say the majority of chinese recognise the traditional character sets then? I think to be fair, both sets should be used.Mineowyn (talk) 06:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Qingnian Wenzhai

The article for the magazine Qingnian Wenzhai ((Chinese: 青年文摘; pinyin: Qīngnián Wénzhāi) has been proposed for deletion; perhaps someone here can find additional material that would support its importance--or confirm that it isnt, as the case may be. DGG (talk) 03:30, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations of Chinese apartheid

A newly created article, Allegations of Chinese apartheid, has been nominated for deletion. Comments are invited on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of Chinese apartheid. -- ChrisO 07:26, 1 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Humiliation of Jingkang

Hi all, I am a newbie and it's great to be here to work with you all. I am currently working on The Humiliation of Jingkang in the Chinese History. I welcome all reviews, feel free edit or let me know what I am missing. TheAsianGURU 05:57, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have completed the article. Please feel free to visit and share your ideas on the article. Thank you. TheAsianGURU 23:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Comment: Tiananmen Square self-immolation incident

Seeking input in resolving dispute about Falun Gong attempts to dismiss as hoax. Kent Wang 21:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link. TheAsianGURU 07:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute resolved. Thanks everyone! Kent Wang 12:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Collaboration of the Week

Hi,

Is there a reason the "collaboration of the week" has been defunct for several years now? Can it be started back up (or at least institute some sort of regular article improvement drive)? Thanks. --Malachirality 15:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'll join in. Which article? Hadoooookin (talk) 11:42, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We need to gather enough people before we can start that project again. Aquarius  talk 21:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I personally believe that the whole idea of "collaboration of the week" is wrong. Since everybody's schedule is different. We should keep updating the "To Do List" and people can work on the items on their free time. Just my 20cents, that's all. TheAsianGURU (talk) 22:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup needed please

Please could someone have a look at The Aowei Church of Holy Rosary ?

This short article is currently an odd mix of English and Chinese characters. thisisace (talk) 13:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like it will need some translation work done. TheAsianGURU (talk) 23:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please expand Linfen

Hello, Linfen has only 8 lines on a 4 million inhabitant city. That's one of the most severe cases of {{expand}} I have encountered so far. Can someone who knows about the subject expand it? Thanks! --Gerrit ^CUTEDH 19:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You know, any medium size city in China will have millions of people. I just checked the Chinese section of the wiki page, I was hoping I could translate some of the stuff over. Unfortunately, it also has only 3 lines of words. TheAsianGURU (talk) 08:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Lord Mengchang of Qi

Hi all, I have started a new project. Please feel free to visit, edit and let me know what I am missing or where I can improve. Thank you. TheAsianGURU (talk) 23:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pīnyīn transcription

Most Wiki articles that use the pīnyīn transcription system do not include tone marks. Should this not be added to include as much phonetic information into the transcription as possible? Daofeishi 15:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even if most of the people want to add tone marks, not that many people know how. TheAsianGURU (talk) 18:01, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting help to update article

Hey everyone! I was hoping to find one or two people who wouldn't mind looking at an article that needs revision and possible merging. The article titled Luzon Empire is has been flagged as not meeting quality standards. If you have a moment to take a look, please do so and leave any comments or suggestions on the discussion page. If you can work on it, feel free. Thank you all very much! :o) Rwking2 (talk) 18:22, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

China and PRC articles request to be renamed

User:SmuckyTheCat is requesting that China be renamed, and replaced by the People's Republic of China article at "China". 70.55.88.176 (talk) 07:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

An Invitation from the Philippine Wikipedia Community

Hello folks,

The Philippine Wikipedia Community will be holding its 1st Meet-up in Cebu City (the fourth one in the Philippines) on June 23-24, 2008. This coincides with the first Philippine Open Source Summit also to be held in Cebu, and which the Philippine Wikipedia Community is a Implementing Partner in. We invite you to join us in this event. If you are in the IT or IT-enabled services industry, this would be a great opportunity to network with leaders from the 4th best outsourcing city in the world. This is also a good excuse to visit our beautiful beaches :)

If you're interested in joining the Wikipedia meet-up, please join our discussion. To register for the Open Source Summit, please contact CEDF-IT. If you would like some assistance with local accomodations, you may email User:Bentong Isles.

The Philippine Wikipedia Community
WP:PINOY

Neolithic signs in China

I am new comer.please help to vote this good one.--Ksyrie(Talkie talkie) 07:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of national shooting records surpassing the world records

I have been working on this list, but many countries are yet unchecked, some because there are no official record lists published online and others because my language skills have not (despite Google Translate) allowed me to check if there are. Of the latter, China (PRC) is by far the most glaring omission, being the currently most successful country in sport shooting. If someone who is able to read http://shooting.sport.org.cn/ could take a quick look and tell me if it includes a list of Chinese records, I would be very grateful, all in the spirit of WP:CSB. -- Jao (talk) 21:23, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Found it! -- Jao (talk) 16:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]