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Changed "Bibliography" to "References cited" per MOS:NOTES: "Bibliography" may be confused with the complete list of printed works by the subject of a biography ("Works" or "Publications"). Otr500 (talk) 08:59, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just uploaded a photo of a postage stamp commemorating Pointe du Sable, but I didn't want to accidentally screw up the formatting of the article, especially since it's been previously featured. If anybody more experienced wants to insert it, here's the commons page for it. GunnarBonk (talk) 19:02, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Under the heading "Legacy and honors: Founder of Chicago" the final sentence states "He is therefore widely regarded as the first permanent resident of Chicago..." However, under the "Biography"
section, the 5th paragraph states "The earliest known record of Point du Sable living in Chicago is an entry that Hugh Heward made in his journal on 10 May 1790..." and the 6th and 7th paragraphs state "In 1800 Point du Sable sold his farm...After Point du Sable sold his property in Chicago, he moved to St. Charles, west of St. Louis", where he lived for the next 18 years, died, and was buried. So that means it can be said with certainty that Point du Sable lived in the area where Chicago was founded for at least 10 years, but then moved to St. Charles where he spent nearly twice that length of time. How does that fit the description of Point du Sable as being a "permanent resident" of Chicago? "Permanent" explicitly means "Existing perpetually; everlasting, especially without significant change. [1]https://www.dictionary.com/browse/permanent" So claiming that Point du Sable was a "permanent resident of Chicago" is as nonsensical as claiming that "The Oakland Raiders football team permanently moved to Los Angeles in 1982, although in 1994 they returned to Oakland where they have been ever since." Bricology (talk) 00:24, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would presume the meaning is that Point du Sable had his sole dwelling in Chicago at that time; he wasn't a traveler who merely stayed briefly in the area while on a journey. Anyway, the statement does have a source ("Franke, Judith A., French Peoria and the Illinois Country 1673–1846, Illinois State Museum Society, Springfield, IL 1995 p. 37 and The Inhabitants of Three French Villages at Peoria, Illinois, compiled by Ernest East, 1933, and included in Judith Franke's book p. 99, ISBN 978-0897921404"). I do not have access to the book, but if it is reliable and does make that statement, then it's fine for the article to repeat the claim. CodeTalker (talk) 03:47, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You misread your definition, in general learn to read more broadly, the only nonsense is trying to shoehorn a word into such a narrow understanding, and then trying to apply your narrow understanding, where it does not belong. Take for example, your definition's use of "permanent employee", what permanent means there is a long time, not that the employee is an immortal, who works forever. Same for permanent residency, the concept is staying there for a long-time, not that a person lives forever. This is all the more clear when you read words in context, like words are meant to be read, as is pointed out to you already, in context of the word's use in this article the word is drawing a contrast with earlier shorter stays, stays of less permanence. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 06:40, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Alanscottwalker: The article currently includes the text "In 1800 Point du Sable sold his farm to John Kinzie's frontman, Jean La Lime, for 6,000 livres." The term "livres" currently redirects to Livre tournois but should (per WP:PLURAL) redirect to Livre, which is a disambiguation page. I will be making the change on livres and am currently in the process of disambiguating the instances that link to it. (See WP:FIXDABLINKS.)
I think it's pretty clear that the instance in this article should link to New France livre, but I was reverted upon making the change with the cited reason being "that currency apparently no longer existed". No source was provided for this information, but common sense dictates that it still existed, even if it had been demonetized. Nobody gathered up the existing money and destroyed it. Regardless, if anyone thinks there's a better article to link it to (it currently redirects to Livre tournois, which makes no sense at all considering this is in the Americas), please link it to whichever article you feel is most appropriate.
It makes perfect sense European coins circulated throughout the Americas. That was most of the money in the Americas. And it certainly makes more sense than a long-former paper money (that was not used much even when it circulated) because paper did not last. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 09:24, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, it's going to redirect to a disambiguation page if left unchanged, so I leave it to you to link it to whichever article you feel is best. Jdaloner (talk) 10:20, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
